Sugar Ray Robinson is simply the p4p best where he remains to this day without any challengers for his title. Ali honored him and for a short made him part of his entourage.
Ali, known as the “Louisville Lip” and “Dancing Master,” is the only heavyweight in boxing histoy that had the hand and foot speed of a middleweight. He cleaned out the division before being stripped of the heavyweight title and his boxing licenses suspened.
I congratulate those that spoke up about these two legends and hope u continue to share your knowledge of the sport. “Rumble young man Rumble.”Posted October 31, 2013 4:50 pm
You can trash talk Ray all you want but there is a bit more to a boxers record than a pumped up O…..Yeah when he is dead you can dissect his record Tark and then come on here giving it large how he avoided someone, like Floyd never did and treating his his name and achievements like it was rubbish……sometimes Ray fought 15 times a year,but of course to you that’s not important…..just get those titles after a name so people like yourself can bring em up and drool every time….Posted October 28, 2013 12:13 pm
both k bros are a joke.Posted October 28, 2013 12:09 pm
prince of doggerel
Them Klitschko brothers don’t stand a chance,
prince of doggerel
Listen you goofs, stop all that argyfying!
Ali’s the best, and then there’s the rest.
Foreman wouldn’t survive 2 rounds against today’s top heavyweights the way he fought Ali. George was walking in taking every punch Ali threw — with no attempt to box or defend himself.
George was intent on knocking Ali out and nothing else.
Ali clinched more in 8 rounds than Wladimir clinched in 12 rounds when he fought Povetkin. Ali clinched as many as 20 times a round.Posted October 28, 2013 12:56 am
Robinson was an all time great fighter. He also lost to guys like Basilio, Fullmer, Turpin, and Ralph Jones who wouldn’t have a prayer against Mayweather; even if they carried a 20 pound weight advantage into the ring. None of them could box or defend that well.Posted October 28, 2013 12:07 am
satchmo the great
Now listen, Mr Blond
You better end that schtick
Ray of Sol
D…just because Ingmar is in doesn`t mean every other b.u.m is getting in – he`s in because of the time period he fought in – he is early in the “modern” category, when there wasn`t a big backlist.
Name me any Klitschko opponent other than Haye and Adamek (who aren`t real heavies) who you think are destined for the HOF and for each one I will name at least 5 fighters either retired or soon to retire who will get in ahead of that person.Posted October 27, 2013 8:23 pm
Tark..Posted October 27, 2013 6:53 pm
If Ali wasn’t the greatest HW ever he was damn close.Posted October 27, 2013 6:40 pm
hidalgo great post.Posted October 27, 2013 3:43 pm
RAY ROBINSON the best there ever was.Posted October 27, 2013 3:41 pm
Muhammod Ali is the most overrated heavyweight of all time. In this way he was certainly the greatest. His days with the evil Nation of Islam are also not forgotten especially since he still bears their name to this day.Posted October 27, 2013 1:09 pm
“Ali the greatest promotion job in heavyweight history.”
The best Muhammad Ali was severed from the sport in the prime of his career. Had he not been suspended from boxing for his refusal to be drafted, Ali would have dominated the heavyweight division, without peer, for the entire time of his suspension and likely would have continued to do so for many years afterwards.
Even so, the Muhammad Ali you know now, still managed to become one of the biggest legends in boxing history, even after re-starting his career with the severe handicap of a long layoff and extreme hatred against him.
You wish you were such a gladiator, Right On.Posted October 27, 2013 12:44 pm
“So you really cannot compare him to Mayweather who beat 3 guys who were undefeated in over 30 fights — and won 10 World Championships and beat 20 World Champions across 5 weight divisions.”
Yes I can Tark, and so does boxing history. Robinson was a fighting machine. Robinson was impressive in his way, Mayweather is impressive in his. It’s hard to not give credibility to a man who fought some 200 fights, winning 173 of them. You talk about Robinson’s “glorified sparring sessions” yet boxers today hardly fight at all, even when they are basically untouched after twelve rounds. Two times a year? Or less? Whoopee sh*!
Floyd could never handle the pace or brutality that Robinson did. If he could he’d fight more. Plus, Robinson fought in fights that were significantly longer, and referees did not stop fights for injuries and cuts back then like they do now.
Yeah, I certainly can compare Sugar Ray Robinson to Floyd “Money” Mayweather. Robinson is at the top of the boxing history heap for a reason–not because he’s as worthless as you make him out to be.Posted October 27, 2013 12:39 pm
My favorite Ali fight. People counted him out. Thought Foreman would kill him. Had lost his belt 7 years prior. The 1st and only man to ever stop n KO George Foreman in 81 professional fights in HW history’s golden era. Pretty impressive. Ive seen this fight with Ali many times and his eyes pop open wide and does not take his eyes off of it for a second. Top 5 fight of all time. IMOPosted October 27, 2013 11:47 am
I’ve seen better fights between two high school girls , on the south side of Chicago .Posted October 27, 2013 9:28 am
well said.Posted October 27, 2013 9:08 am
The HW fighters of today cannot hide behind stature and try to pass themselves off as histories best… We have seen the TRASH BOXING, HORRID MATCHUPS and Apathy this era has produced… Ali and company were deemed legends LONG before the Klits inherited the SCRAPS Lennox Lewis left behind… No one is fooled by the RANCID Challengers the Klits pound nor intrigued by the many stink Fests the have gifted us… Pretending the history of the HW division began with the Klits is 100% dishonest and it’s debunked by this era thankfully being largely WIPED From US TV…Posted October 27, 2013 9:00 am
satchmo the great
Tell it like it is, my man!Posted October 27, 2013 8:49 am
satchmo the great
@ James Blond
You are a moron.Posted October 27, 2013 8:48 am
hw boxing today is a cross between wrestling and a freak show.Posted October 27, 2013 7:41 am
Ali the prettiest! Ali the funniest! Ali bust a rhyme to bust yo ass with!!
Don’t you be dissin’ Ali!!Posted October 27, 2013 7:06 am
Ali IS the greatest! So there!Posted October 27, 2013 7:02 am
„Invincible“ Foreman is as phoney a catchphrase as is the „greatest“ hype, when applied to M. Ali whose boxing career was sustained in an era of stunted heavyweights whose heroes of the time would today barely be cruisers. The writer continues what was begun years ago, keeping alive a myth a fairy tale, albeit for adults.Posted October 27, 2013 6:59 am
If Ingemar Johansson got in — anybody with one title win against a cheese champ can get in. They could expand the yearly eligibility list to let more deserving candidate in.
HOF means nothing anyway because the voters are mainly Americans who think everyone else in the world stinks. Some HOF fighters do stink. Some non-HOF fighters are great.Posted October 27, 2013 3:49 am
Ray of Sol
TARK, I think maybe you don`t understand how the hall of fame works, but that is okay because you are pretty old and obviously going a bit kooky in the head, saying outrageous things to try to get your voice heard.
3 fighters per year get added to HOF ballot – they need to be retired 5 years.
Please do tell us who the Klitschkos have beaten that will get in the Hall of Fame – I can think of one – maybe David Haye depending on how he ends his career – but that will be 50% for his CW achievements. MAybe at a stretch Adamek – but again for his LHW and cruiserweight achievements not heavy where he lacks the power to be effectve.
Other than that I can`t see even one possibility. I mean 3 nominiations per year to the ballot – you can have places tied up for years and years with Vitali, Wlad, HAye, Holyfield, maybe Adamek, possibly the likes of Dawson, Tarver, Toney, Hopkins, Froch, maybe Kessler, Martinez, some kooks might try to put Pavlik in there though I wouldn`t, Mosely, Maybe WInky, Mayweather, Pacquaio, JMM, Maybe Israel Vasquez & Raf Marquez for their wars, Barrera, MOrales, Cotto, maybe sympathy votes for Gatti or WIlliams.
That is just retired or very close to retirement fighters – obviously more will come through – but there are what nearly 20 certain hall of famers right there – that is 7 years worth of chances gone byt which time we`ll be looking at a whole new set of potential HOF’ers like GGG, KOvalev, Lomachenko etc.Posted October 26, 2013 7:36 pm
Boxing ability don’t mean s_h_i_t!! It’s how PRETTY you are that counts!!
Ali wins – hands down!Posted October 26, 2013 7:25 pm
Maybe David hayePosted October 26, 2013 7:05 pm
Srr beat 20 something hofersPosted October 26, 2013 7:04 pm
TarkPosted October 26, 2013 7:03 pm
Taro, name a few future hof fighters that they beat.Posted October 26, 2013 7:01 pm
The K Bros ALREADY beat a ton of future HOF fighters… They don’t put you into the hall when you’re an active fighter… They’ll be put in over the next 50 years and they’ll have more than any boxer from Ali’s weak era.
The only heavyweights who were any good in that era were a small slice of American racial minorities — a huge slice of the Earth didn’t even develop professional heavyweight boxers at that point in time.
Now you have more competition… great heavyweights from all over the planet… from every race and culture. Boxing is bigger than it ever was, and worldwide revenues dwarf what Boxing did 50 years ago in the 1960’s… The world’s population is twice as big so there’s more competition.
I would put Vitali… Wlaldimir… Pulev… Haye… Fury… Wilder… Jennings… Adamek… Arreola… and Povetkin…against the Top-10 from any other era.Posted October 26, 2013 6:38 pm
bruce you are right.Posted October 26, 2013 6:15 pm
As soon as the klutz bros beat several hof fighters then they can be compared to Ali.Posted October 26, 2013 6:08 pm
ray robinson. greatest fighter ever PERIOD.Posted October 26, 2013 6:01 pm
tark. are you a front wheel.Posted October 26, 2013 5:57 pm
Hidalgo.., “Robinson had 173 wins.”
And 150 of those wins were tomato can opponents… Robbie only fought about 20 guys who were any good — and that’s about how many losses he had. Most of Robinson’s fights were glorified sparring sessions to pad his record.. That’s what they did in those days — fight anyone with a pulse… Robinson ducked great boxer-punchers Charley Burley and Archie Moore and never fought a great boxer-puncher in his life.
So you really cannot compare him to Mayweather who beat 3 guys who were undefeated in over 30 fights — and won 10 World Championships and beat 20 World Champions across 5 weight divisions.Posted October 26, 2013 5:43 pm
Brazilian Boxing Fan
I think Ali should have retired after beating Frazier in 1975.Posted October 26, 2013 5:39 pm
Muhammad Ali probably would have had an even more sterling career had his brilliant prime not been interrupted the the draft controversy and his suspension from boxing. So any discussion of Muhammad Ali must include that little yet extremely important asterisk of information.Posted October 26, 2013 4:49 pm
Poor old Sugar Ray Robinson. Lost to this guy and that. Oh well, I guess 173 wins means nothing. I mean, that wouldn’t be part of the reason why he’s considered by some experts to be the greatest boxer of all time, definitely an ATG, and has fought more fights in one year than Hopkins has in 10 years. BTW Tark, Ray had a lot of money, he just blew it all.Posted October 26, 2013 4:47 pm
TARK, you are a dirty old Jew snake. I know who you are and I know why you hate Ali you thieving dirtbag.
Caught you with your dirty little hands in the till an told you to take a walk didn`t he you scummy dishonest nasty piece of crap.Posted October 26, 2013 4:36 pm
Leon Spinks win over Muhammad Ali was a gift from Ali, which he promptly took back in their rematch.Posted October 26, 2013 4:35 pm
I always thought Foreman looked like he was on something in that bout. His eyes just didn’t look right to me.Posted October 26, 2013 4:34 pm
Tark is a crazy dog, his lot is to suffer torture in hell for eternityPosted October 26, 2013 4:24 pm
dont compare legends of yesterday with these hype jobs of today.Posted October 26, 2013 4:07 pm
I think if um ali and foreman faught in their prime um I think duh fight would be won by foreman.Posted October 26, 2013 4:05 pm
Tark…Ali had a style that depended on speed..reflexes..movement..you dont fight to a old age with that style.Plus Ali had some real wars,unlike what we see today with guys just trying to survive in there.And the Holmes fight Ali was already shot,and had the start of parkinson already.Holmes was a great champ but using that fight for a example isnt fair,considering how far gone Ali was at the time.Its like saying Mike Tyson lost to McBride because Tyson never faced a real big tough irishman…when the real reason is Tyson was shot.Posted October 26, 2013 3:44 pm
Sugar Ray Robinson never came close to 20 successful title defenses like Bernard Hopkins did… Robinson won only one of 4 fights versus slow and inept Gene Fullmer… Robinson was beaten up by Ralph Jones who lost his 5 previous fights prior to beating up Robinson..
Robinson was stopped by slow and punchless Joey Maxim… Robinson avoided Burley, Tiger, Moore and other good fighters..
Hopkins is still going strong ar 48 and he’s a mulit-millionaire… That’s an age where Robinson was broke and almost homeless.Posted October 26, 2013 3:42 pm
the k bros better than ali. whats next hopkins better robinson.Posted October 26, 2013 3:33 pm
BILLY NO MEDALS ALL AMERICAN BOY
and your the clown again Anonymous BRUCE THE BUM!HAhahaha,f@king clownPosted October 26, 2013 3:31 pm
the greatest era of hw boxing,now you have a fu#king circus.Posted October 26, 2013 3:24 pm
Foreman couldn’t box at all—and Jimmy Young proved that conclusively.
I predicted Ali would knock Foreman out in the 9th because Foreman would flail away uselessly. George tired out a little faster than expected.
The only outstanding boxer Ali ever faced—who was a good sized heavyweight who could punch at all—was Larry Holmes. Holmes beat Ali every minute of every round — when Ali was only 38. Wladimir will be 38 for his next fight.Posted October 26, 2013 3:18 pm
Ali was most NOT the greatest heavyweight. Many were better than Ali.
Ali said.., ‘Never again make me an underdog again; until I’m about 50-years-old – then you might get me,”
Ali was younger than 50 when Joe Frazier, Ken Norton, Leon Spinks, Larry Holmes, and Trevor Berbick beat him… He was 29, 31, 36, 38, and 39 respectively when those guys kicked his ass.
Vitali Klitschko is 42 and has only been beaten twice. In both losses he was ahead on points—and only lost because of injuries. He has never been knocked down. Ali was knocked down 4 times and lost 5 times.Posted October 26, 2013 3:16 pm
BILLY NO MEDALS ALL AMERICAN BOY
@BRUCE THE BUM!!ASK!!!ASK YOUR MRS,SHE COMES THERE
billy no medals all american boy. where are you really from, as i keep seeing your retard name.Posted October 26, 2013 2:47 pm
I think Slater has his head way up someones Arse. What I saw was a fight that was exciting, but also not the greatest skills on the side of George. He was slow, awkward and hit hard, but little else. Young Foreman had some of the worse defense in the history of heavyweight champions. Of course this fight also shows some of the Ali double standards, his grabbing and holding made Wlad look like an amateur, which is true of most of Ali’s fights, while for Wlad it has been limited to basically 3-4 fights. But is did shows Ali’s ring intelligence and greatness in adapting to all different situations, no matter what you can’t take from him his desire to win and willingness to do whatever it took to do so. It also shows Ali was a big man by those days standards and was as tall as George.Posted October 26, 2013 2:20 pm
Ali’s brain probably didn’t come away unscathed from big George despite the win. As Ali later said, he saw snakes and skeletons a few times after George caught him to the head and knew he had to bring Foreman into that room with them also It was a war for Ali and George said he hit Ali with the hardest punches he could throw. Not many men could have taken what Ali did much less take them and win.Posted October 26, 2013 2:05 pm
laying on the ropes and letting foreman hit you. what strategy!Posted October 26, 2013 1:54 pm
BILLY NO MEDALS ALL AMERICAN BOY
well said Anonymous BUM!!your obsession with BUMS must be such a worry for you!!!!Posted October 26, 2013 12:58 pm
ALI is a real legend,unlike the hw rubbish we have today.Posted October 26, 2013 12:49 pm
And if he had retired after defeating Foreman he would not find himself in the sorry state he is now in.Posted October 26, 2013 12:44 pm
If Ali had retired afta beating Foreman he would not of had the iconic status he has now.Posted October 26, 2013 12:32 pm