Harold was ok, but Kellerman has become the hbo house fighter cheerleader. It was like he was only watching Avarado last night and only talked about what he was doing well, completely disreguarding Provodnikov.Posted October 20, 2013 8:32 pm
Lederman is the biggest bum-muncher that was EVEr given a microphone ringside.
Lederman is paid shill of the most grotesque making.Posted October 20, 2013 5:31 pm
Ledderman may be nice but that don’t change the fact that his crap in calling fights.Posted October 20, 2013 5:49 am
white is right
alvarado wins. prov looked good against bradley but bradley sucks.Posted October 19, 2013 10:56 pm
I’m gonna go with Alvarado to win by TKO in the 9th :)Posted October 19, 2013 6:23 pm
also Ruslan tired in the mid rounds against bradly. How will he do at mile high Denver?Posted October 19, 2013 6:19 pm
Provo looked great against Bradley. He’s no boxer but has lights out power. I think he pulls it off.Posted October 19, 2013 6:16 pm
I believe most people here favor Provodnikov because of the way he attacked Bradley. Bradley just fought the wrong fight, that’s the only reason why Provodnikov looked so spectacular. I’m picking Alvarado over Provodnikov due to the fact that Alvarado is the better boxer.Posted October 19, 2013 6:02 pm
BTW…, What I meant to say is, “Awarding a round based on who does the most damage is a dodgy scoring system at best — because many rounds are closely contested and neither boxer does any damage.”
You have to count the clean punches landed — otherwise you’re going to give the round to the guy you like better. It’s a human failing.Posted October 19, 2013 4:26 pm
It’s best not to judge the “damage” a punch is doing unless a boxer is rocked, staggered, floored, or badly hurt by that punch… If boxer “A” lands 12 good scoring shots and boxer “B” scores 10 good scoring shots, it’s best to score the round for boxer A.
It’s not a good thing to presume Boxer “B” won on more effective punching, because you like him more or want him to win — or for some other possible consideration like more fans are cheering for him — or because somebody would like you to give him a “fair shot” for financial considerations worked out in advance.Posted October 19, 2013 3:28 pm
The way people talk it’s as if they never saw Ali fight Evangelista, Young, Mathis, Foster, Lubbers, Spinks II… Frazier II… or other tiring matches he fought.Posted October 19, 2013 3:17 pm
Most damage? Do judges have an in depth knowledge of dermatology, orthopedics, brain trauma, projectile ballistics, the percussion of impacts, or how these facets relate to different genetic make-ups?
If not, then power punching analysis is prone to subjective bias, which anyone but the likes of Harold Letterman will tell you is also severely tainted by corruption.Posted October 19, 2013 3:15 pm
Roy Jones is knowledgeable and is respectful of the boxers.. Kellerman rips boxers based on what the referee is doing.. You take what a referee gives you.. Different referees are going to allow different tactics.. The idea is to win this fight — and look good in the next fight.Posted October 19, 2013 3:07 pm
was he trying to slip c. j. ross. one in the back door.Posted October 19, 2013 2:52 pm
Judging a boxing match well requires talent, experience, and skills.
Awarding a round based on who does the most damage is a dodgy scoring system at best — because many rounds closely contested.
If neither boxer suffers observable damage in a round—which often happens when 2 good boxers meet—a judge needs acute vision, good boxing knowledge, good short term memory, basic arithmetic, and superior objectivity to score that particular round correctly. A lack these qualities will produce a haphazard score. Such scores occasionally result in appalling decisions. Those decisions undermine the credibility of Boxing as a major sport.
Harold Lederman is a very talkative and likeable guy—he’s not a good boxing judge. He seems to be influenced by the race and reputation of the boxers—and whether he’s a bigger fan of one boxer. He’s also seems to be influenced by what he believes the official judges might be doing. He not worse than Tom Kaczmarek, Duane Ford, or C J Ross…he’s just not good.
Lederman had Hatton beating Mayweather after 6 rounds—even after Hatton was point deducted for flagrantly hitting Floyd behind the head when Floyd was outside the ropes. Lederman had Paul Williams outpointing Carlos Quintana based more on William’s better reputation than effective punching. After James Toney landed a 138 more punches than Vasily Jirov, and scored a brutal knockdown—it was clear who did more damage. Even Harold’s bare bones scoring system didn’t prevent him from tabulating a dubious result … when it was obvious he was pulling for Jirov to win.Posted October 19, 2013 2:32 pm
LOL…It’s a blessing and a curse, Hidalgo.
I also agree with you about Lederman, brother.
You would think with all of the bad scoring lately that more fight fans would appreciate Harold’s ability to score fights objectivelyPosted October 19, 2013 1:27 pm
“but more often than not his score card matches mine so closely it’s spooky.”
Excuse me. I meant to say, “But more often than not his scoring is farily accurate and it often matches mine so closely that it’s spooky.”Posted October 19, 2013 12:45 pm
“Lederman, and his daughter, would not be missed if they were to not cover boxing….”
Oh BS! Harold Lederman is highly qualified to judge and narrate these fights. He’s also a great personality to listen to with his upbeat and jovial attitude. Sure there are times when his scoring seems to be influenced by the fighter that he likes or favors, but more often than not his score card matches mine so closely it’s spooky.
As for Julie Lederman, she has proven herself to be a fine, capable boxing judge. No one is perfect. But Julie Lederman does a great job.Posted October 19, 2013 12:44 pm
Also Joseph. I hate you. You have much more hair on your head than I do. A lot. :)Posted October 19, 2013 12:41 pm
Well Joseph, for this kind of fight I agree with Harold Lederman: whoever does the most damage should get the round. But, Alvarado survived his second fight with Rios by choosing to stay away from Brandon when Brandon wanted to mix it up. So Mike managed to pull out a points win over him.
I think that if Provodnikov does not gas out–due to the elevation–once Alvarado feels his power, he’s going to back off. Then we’ll see if Harold scores the fight as he says it should be scored.
Either way, there’s gonna be some banging going on!
BTW, I won’t get to watch this fight live as I’ll be at a college football game but I’ll catch it the following week.Posted October 19, 2013 12:40 pm
Real American Oak,
Every fight fan is knowledgeable until after the fight.Posted October 19, 2013 12:07 pm
THE REAL AMERICAN OAK
There are very few knowledgeable fight fan on this rag mag of an on line boxing “journal.”Posted October 19, 2013 11:58 am
THE REAL AMERICAN OAK
Provo creamed Bradley. How the hell is Alvarado going to “out box” him?Posted October 19, 2013 11:56 am
Harold calls it right more times than wrong IMO
lederman is about the only one to listen to on hbo, though Kellerman has improved. wish they had someone other than jones to do commentary, like Tarver or O’grady.Posted October 19, 2013 11:32 am
TestedPosted October 19, 2013 11:26 am
give us a clue
Lederman is an out and out idiot. He seems to think that his is the only word and opinion which counts, when invariably he is actually filling in for the village idiot. Over the years his scoring and views of many major fights has been dead wrong. He feeds poor information to clueless fans who lap his bs as though it’s gospel.
Lederman, and his daughter, would not be missed if they were to not cover boxing….that would be a great start to improving boxing coverage on the failing HBO.Posted October 19, 2013 10:44 am
He’s a corrupt gluttonPosted October 19, 2013 10:21 am
Bobby the boxer. Hate to be another *spelling cop, maybe.Posted October 19, 2013 9:43 am
Alvarado wins this 9 times out of 10. I’m jumping all over his 9/10 odds.Posted October 19, 2013 9:35 am
LOL…C’mon, Bobby…don’t hate on Harold, brother.
he’s one of the nicest guys you will ever meet…a real gent!!Posted October 19, 2013 8:26 am