It’s Me, Ernie
He was exposed by a smaller Brian Vera Saturday, not to mention Maravilla fixed him up too…Posted September 30, 2013 10:09 am
I concur with ray ray and 1-2 chavez will get exposed by someone his own weight very soonPosted September 28, 2013 8:32 pm
Chavez Jr has been shoved in the face of boxing fans for what 4-5 years now? He was on PPV undercards within 2 years at 147 and he did what to earn this? Then he headlines PPVs at 154 and he beat who? Now after getting his ass spanked by Martinez and a drug suspension he agrees to fight Vera at 163, then gets cut in training and changes it to 168, now he says 173. 10 lbs heavier than the original fight weight. Arum is slick and fooled the Mexican public, cause I believe that’s the only ones buying into this garbage. Vera by stoppagePosted September 27, 2013 9:06 pm
Annoying threadPosted September 27, 2013 6:22 pm
Enough time wasted on this…. The sooner Jr fights some1 he’s own size or some1 with a decent amount of ability the better….bye bye ChavezPosted September 27, 2013 5:56 pm
Joseph Herron- I agree that Jr. doesn’t give a $#it. To me he seems like an accidental character in all this, somehow. Like he never wanted, understood the magnitude or expected the pressures that came with having his last name. To me, he’d be happy as heck if he didn’t fight again and he’s sabotaging himself.Posted September 27, 2013 5:36 pm
i actually like everyone at Top Rank, Inc…from Lee Samuels to Ricardo Jimenez to Todd DuBoef.
With that said, I would love to see Bryan pull off the upset on Saturday night!! I realize what this would do to Top Rank’s plans, but quite honestly, i wouldn’t doubt it if some people at that organization are secretly hoping that it happens!! I won’t name any names, but I wouldn’t be surprised.Posted September 27, 2013 5:19 pm
Joseph Herron — Exactly! Junior has NO respect for his father, Arum, fans, rules…for nothing. He does not give a crap. Why should we?Posted September 27, 2013 4:44 pm
Why would Jr. worry about losing weight when he knows we we all know he can’t do it without cheating and his Daddy and Godfather Sullaiman can get him a free pass on the Weight because he’s special? LOLPosted September 27, 2013 3:48 pm
He’s never been the same since Puerto Rican Tito Trinidad Crushed his idol Fernando Lardass ending his career.. in concusive fashion…LOLPosted September 27, 2013 1:41 pm
Old Yank – I’m a little worried for the little fat fker.. not like him to fold so easily.. seems broken and shattered probably suicidal.. his comments are what I’d expect from an 8 year old.. reminds me of DelaHoya when he went down from hopkins little tummy tap and was crying out for his momy on the canvas in a fetal position in a pool of his own urine.. Hopefully Mexico can finally produce a top champion Tumbo can get behind that doesn’t implode or gets caught cheating.. these may be his last days with us.. Pray for the little fat b@stard..Posted September 27, 2013 1:23 pm
Public Enemy — Hey, I took a BEATING in sticking around as a Pavlik fan too long. But I never lost my cutting wit. Taking a beating with a smile on your face is an art form. Te Tumbo got the wind knocked out of him. I’m willing to wager that he gets back up, gives us all a nod with a grin on his face and keeps on swinging. If he doesn’t, then he’s down for the count!Posted September 27, 2013 12:52 pm
EZ E — In today’s sophisticated system of enhancing and masking, it takes a genuine idiot to get caught failing a test. Or it takes an immature kid filled with the expectation that Uncle Bob and a family name can buy his way out of any jam.Posted September 27, 2013 12:03 pm
Sad…what was once stinging wit has turned into boring insults. Te Tumbo, I demand that you up your game or return to the farm league. If you can’t keep up with the big boys it would be best not to subject yourself to the serial beatdowns you’ve been taking of late.Posted September 27, 2013 11:53 am
te tumbo — No I did not go *b*** over Mayweather’s clown car routine with the Marquez bout. I thought it wrong but I did not go crazy over it. I was concerned for Marquez and his health and safety but I did not write an article about a fighter missing weight for the first time in his career. A business accommodation was made for Mayweather’s FIRST OFFENSE and I did not react to it the way I react to serial offenders.
On an unrelated note: I posted a lot on why, although perfectly legal, I saw Mayweather’s sucker punch of Ortiz unsportsmanlike.
So te tumbo, please peddle your lies and made up crap someplace else; it will be soundly slapped down by me every and any time you make me the subject of your lies.Posted September 27, 2013 11:48 am
As I said te tumbo, I am not capable of proving that I did not say something that I did not say. It is impossibility for anyone to supply such proof. There is no need for me to address your lies and made up stuff. I can’t! I won’t. No one can! And it is beneath me.
I offered you an out! Supply proof. You are unable to provide proof so we shall all remain where we were before your foolish posts: you remain a liar and a man who makes stuff up.
I will add a few COMMON SENSE thoughts: If a fighter fails to make weight for the first time in his career, although critique is invited, it is a different situation than Chavez or Ali Funeka or Joan Guzman. These clowns are REPEAT OFFENDERS.
When a teen breaks curfew for the first time a parent deals with it differently than when a teen proves to be a repeat offender. It is just common sense.Posted September 27, 2013 11:44 am
I think if they can continue to keep Cinnabum from fighting the guys his true size like GGG, Quillin, LARA they could make a Cotto fight and as long as they can keep Cinnabum from ballooning up to 172+lbs Cotto would stop this hype job. But I just don’t see Cinnabum getting past any of those guys his true size.. it may not be worth it for Cotto once Canelo gets KO’d a few times…Posted September 27, 2013 11:34 am
Lame, you’re losing it Dumbo.. come on, you can do better then that.. I know you’re still weak and not yourself after the Canelo Beat down but I expect more from you.. “Canta Y no llores.. LOL” I can’t wait to see the beat down of dumb dumb rios next.. it will be a great night…Posted September 27, 2013 11:31 am
“That’s why Delahoya told Mexicans to go to hell and went Rican…” yeh, we “All” saw the pix . . . “Ayy Papi?!?”. fortunately, Millie knows her place, i.e., she’s got NO Vote in the situation. sound familiar?Posted September 27, 2013 11:26 am
I must say I did enjoy watching Mayweather Punk a Nation and the Stateside MexAmerican Wannabees.. it was very enjoyable.. Nothing the world of Boxing enjoys better then watching a hyped Mexican get his ASS kicked and humiliated on World Stage. Atleast we can all agree that Canelo and Chavez jr. were just bums…Posted September 27, 2013 11:17 am
So Dumbo, who are these Great mexican Champions of today you created in your little delusional conflicted minds?? Oh, you wish you had the Millions Daddy Yankee has..Posted September 27, 2013 11:15 am
I gotta admit that Top Rank has really milked the Chavez name for all it’s worth with jr. back when Jr. First started fighting I never would have thought he would have lasted this long. But over that time he’s built up a lot of bad karma for himself, which just might end up catching him once he starts fighting good fighters at the 175 pound range.Posted September 27, 2013 11:13 am
I also told you Stop stealing my DelaRican name I gave your Boy DelaFishNets.. make up your own sht and stop stealing my names.. LOLPosted September 27, 2013 11:10 am
Mickey La Rata Garcia came into the JuanMa fight weighing well over 140lbs couldn’t make weight didn’t even try just like Chavez Cheato Jr. Don’t make excuses for him now fighting Danny Garcia who is a 140lber..Posted September 27, 2013 11:09 am
Dumbo – you’re an East LA Mexican Wannabee, shutdafkup, you’re no more a real Mexican then you are a real Spaniard.. just a lost water Ratl in the USA with no real country to call your own.. in the Ring True Mexicans despise Mexican American Wannabees.. That’s why Delahoya told Mexicans to go to hell and went Rican…Posted September 27, 2013 11:07 am
even your Daddy Yankee knows when to zip it before being dragged into my office. of course, one can never underestimate the freaky fetishes of a Putoriqueno. you obviously enjoy being slapped, spanked, and otherwise abused. You, Cotto, and De La Rican must enjoy loads of fun under the same blanket.Posted September 27, 2013 11:01 am
the 130lb Garcia v. the 147lb Garcia or Mathysse? you’ve learned(?) all you can from Yank. time to make like Cotto and shut your c**ksucker, bend your knee in defeat, and learn something about my favorite sport from the true Don of ESB . . . De rodillas, Cabron.Posted September 27, 2013 10:56 am
There’s just too much competition for Mexicans today for them to ever produce a real unbeaten World Champion.. With all the PR’s Cubans, Argentinians, Venezuelans, Panamanians, African Americans, Europeans, Russians, etc etc etc Mexican Hyped fighters just cannot get past that Gauntlet of Nations.. The stricter drug testing has also put a nail in their Coffin.. They just cannot get away with all their Cheating like in the Old Days with Chavez Sr. stuffing his wraps…Posted September 27, 2013 10:55 am
Dumbo – what was the name of that unbeaten Mexican Rocky Martinez Knockedout in his last fight? I can’t seem to remember his name.. LOLPosted September 27, 2013 10:52 am
Mickey Garcia will never get past Danny Garcia nor Lucas Matthyesse, nope.. he’ll implode just like Cinnabum and Chavez Jr.. You’ll see.. He may not get past Rocky.. wouldn’t that be sweet..Posted September 27, 2013 10:50 am
Emannuelle Steward said clearly “if you think Trinidad got one punch KO power from using an additonal roll of gauze you know nothing about Boxing” now Tumbo focus on the Mexicans Cheating in Boxing and forget about the Original Mexicutioner Tito Trinidad.. I know you’ll never forgive him for Ending Fernando Lardasses hyped Career but it’s time to let go and move on…Posted September 27, 2013 10:48 am
NEWSFLASH: Mikey Garcia. Unbeaten Boxing Champion. Next Victim: RoMono Martinez. NEXT?Posted September 27, 2013 10:46 am
Oh forgot about Rocky Martinez beating that Mexican who got on his Bicycle all night long…Posted September 27, 2013 10:46 am
In an interview with Bernard Fernandez of Philly.com, Hopkins said, “If you put on tape, then gauze, then tape, then gauze, it’s like a [plaster] cast. It’s like being hit with a baseball bat. I’m giving out some secrets here, but you can dip your hands in ice water and that tape will, like, marinate and become harder. BUT IT’S ONLY CHEATING IF YOU GET CAUGHT. Personally, I think Vargas’ and Reid’s people dropped the ball. Naazim did a brilliant job in spotting what [Cheato Trinidud Sr.] was doing with the wraps.” All Facts, All Day Long . . . (lol).Posted September 27, 2013 10:45 am
Once Danny Garcia and Lucas Matthysse take out Mickey GArcia and Abner Low Blow Mares Mexico will be down there with Guyana in producing world Champions.. LOLPosted September 27, 2013 10:44 am
ATTENTION: Mexico Seeks True unbeaten Boxing Champion.. BWAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAPosted September 27, 2013 10:42 am
Didn’t Wilfredo Vargas, Orlando Cruz, Luis Collazo, Gabriel Rosado, just beat some nice little Mexicans.. LOL Mexico needs to really find someone quick because with Cinnabum imploading and Chavez Jr. exposed they look to be heading towards another decade of floundering without any Real Champion.. LOLPosted September 27, 2013 10:41 am
The only Crosshairs you’ll be locking onto will be the next Mexican Hype Jobs nutsack.. face it, Mexico has not produced a true unbeaten world Champion in over a Decade and you are not a true Mexican. Just a stateside Mexican Wannabee..Posted September 27, 2013 10:39 am
ATTENTION: Mexico Seeks National Rival! Territories Need Not Apply! Argentina, Cuba, and Dominican Republic Eligible.Posted September 27, 2013 10:39 am
Only Low Life Douche Bags would openny support and rationalize cheating and cheaters in Boxing.. as Tumbo has done for years with MargaCheato and his Cement Loaded Wraps.. now he’s trying to justify Weight Gain Tricks that Chavez Cheato Jr and Canelo have been busted doing.. Tumbos famous Quote for Margacheatos Wraps “It’s only Cheating if you get busted” spoken like a true low life water rat…Posted September 27, 2013 10:37 am
correction: now, address my questions before I lock my crosshairs on you for the remainder of 2013. “En-garde”, dumbs**t.Posted September 27, 2013 10:34 am
“But we all knew this already!” Stop grasping for support, P***y. can’t you stand on your own two feet? besides, i’ve tossed entire nations (and territories) on these threads, so what are the masses gonna do for You? other than give you a false sense of righteousness, which has never been your forte, anyway. Btw, your impulsive tantrum aside, two examples of your selective outrage were cited below and you’ve addressed neither. accordingly your LACK of “WORDS” expose you for the constipated grandstander that we “ALL” know you to be. now, address my questions before I lock my crosshairs on you for the rest of 2014. “En-garde”, dummy.Posted September 27, 2013 10:33 am
The funny thing is Tumbo a stateside Mexican Wannabee is not even seen as real Mexican by Mexicans in Mexico. that’s why they never embraced Delahoya… Tumbo with all his I’m proud to be Mexican bull is laughable.. Real Mexicans from Mexico would spit on his LA stinking butt… Nothing funnier then watching these Mexican Wannabees claiming to be real Mexicans while trying to come off as Ivy League Gringos….Posted September 27, 2013 10:33 am
EZ E — On all counts in your last few posts I agree 100%. Paying a sanctioning fee for an alphabet soup trinket is LEGAL. BRIBING a sanctioning body to move a fighter to the front of the line is illegal.
I often lament the US Congressional hearings in the 1960’s that led to (ahem) “business characters” who were in control of boxing giving way to the alphabet soup system we have today. It was infinitely easier in the old era to keep track of ONE crook then it is to keep track of the multiple crooks we have in boxing today.
I will go so far as to say that the Most Dishonorable Soul-less-man would be sleeping with the fishes if the old guard was still in control. When the price of stepping out of line is a nap with the fishes, the “order” of things is a lot more predictable from a business perspective.Posted September 27, 2013 10:30 am
“Te Tumbo is right after all: all the drama just makes for more attention for an otherwise uninteresting fight” SRMINIMO, Thank You. being “right” is a thankless job but i continue my mission on behalf of true fight-fans and to also 1) antagonize self-proclaimed “experts” and 2) expose boxing-ignoramASSES (e.g., Public Douche) whose entire dedication to Boxing consists of Hating on their Mexican conquerors . . . who whip their favorite fighters culos in their own hometowns . . . and erase an entire territory’s roster of wannabe fighters from contention . . . and reduces them to bitter, sideline Haters . . . Cannn-Tahhh y no Llores!” . . . (lol).Posted September 27, 2013 10:27 am
Joseph Herron- I did read where Ronnie said that, if it were up to him he would not have gone forward with the fight but Vera got what he wanted and made the call to go on (not surprised, considering he’s been now what, 4 months without making money waiting for Chavez?) and that he was the one who then asked for the 10 round fight, which also is kind of surprising if they believe Jr. to be out of shape. I would think they would try to take him into deep waters and drown him, unless he thinks that having a much bigger guy putting his weight on Vera will take it’s toll and wants Vera to jump him early in the hopes of tiring him out quick. Te Tumbo is right after all: all the drama just makes for more attention for an otherwise uninteresting fight.Posted September 27, 2013 10:17 am
This could be set for 10, 11 or 12 RDS.
Amigos, one thing I will say for Chavez jr is that rather than risking getting busted and suspended for diuretics he just plain admitted that he couldn’t make the weight. Had he waited for today’s OFFICIAL (Non-OFFICIAL weight stipulated) weigh-in (sounds crazy, huh??) there might’ve been cancellations, lost of future considerations, loss of sponsorships, allegations, suits… But anit it good to be a Chavez. Well, it’s HIS birth name, and I guess HE has all the right to use it however it benefit$ him, even if for the “wrong” reasons. He’s not the first and won’t be the last, except that he has taken it to a UNPRESEDENTED NEW LEVEL. Like it or not, it makes a whole lot’s CENT$!! The weigh-in should be interesting. Stay tuned!! Peace to all!!Posted September 27, 2013 9:10 am
HERRON ooops, I meant to say ” and ex-118LB and 122lb champ Daniel “Cobra” Jimenez” I forgot to include his name. Peace!Posted September 27, 2013 8:46 am
HERRON With all due respect, but as for your comment:
Every promoter gives money to the sanctioning organizations to get higher ratings”…. “How do you think Canelo got the chance to fight for the WBC Junior Middleweight title against Matthew Hatton?
Well, first yes, just about every promoter gives/makes money to/for the sanctioning orgs. That’s okay and within the rules, this I know all too well, having worked with fighters in championship positions, 3-time Welter title challenger Wilfredo Rivera and ex-WBO 118LB & 122LB world champion. But ARUM was sanctioned & fined for BRIBING, there IS a difference. Arum, being a LAWYER didn’t put up much of a fight, not wanting the Feds to dig deeper because THEY HAD HIM BY THE BALLS!! And… The MAIN reason Canelo got his title opportunity was because of SULIMAN! Look, Suliaman KNEW/RECOGNIZED Canelo’s $$$ making potential and MADE him his WBC/PERSONAL champ. He wasn’t going to let that $$$ opportunity slip through his greasy fingers. Was there a little BRIBERY involved?? hmmm… Or.. was it legal influence buying?? Either way, ARUM was BUSTED FOR BRIBERY and not for just ‘giving money’, as you put it. Is it the same?? Well, not according to the LAW, Brother.Posted September 27, 2013 8:42 am
Joseph Herron — Junior has a HISTORY of using banned diuretics — either to mask other things or to quickly shed weight or both. How would you feel if Junior makes the renegotiated 173 and is then found out to have done so by using a banned substance? Is Vera’s health and safety protected under these circumstances?
What is it about Junior that makes you think that he won’t cheat AGAIN this time?
And are we making a mockery of the accomplishments of fighters of a bygone era by allowing super middleweights to enter the ring as cruiserweights?
I think we are LONG OVERDUE for a fight night weigh in max of 7% over the limit.Posted September 27, 2013 8:15 am
te tumbo — Are you still crying like a little girl that Margarito was proven to be a no body without his loaded gloves? You are worse than Margarito weeping like a woman when the Cotto bout was stopped. Read it here:
Google — “Old Yank” One More RoundPosted September 27, 2013 8:00 am
Joseph Herron — And I’ve argued for a Super Heavyweight Division…Posted September 27, 2013 7:53 am
PE- Sorry to have to tell you this, but you’re completely wrong with your last post. Mares just got kO’d.Posted September 27, 2013 7:41 am
I’m just happy that we’re seeing more world class boxing on HBO!!
I for one missed the crew of Lamps, kellerman, and Harold lederman!!
there’s nothing like the production of HBO!!
I also can’t wait to see the first episode of 24/7 Bradley/Marquez!!
It’s going to be a great night of boxing!!Posted September 26, 2013 8:48 pm
not only don’t i recall Yank fuming over Broner not making weight, i also don’t recall him fuming over Mayweather not making weight v. Marquez(?). i also don’t recall him fuming over Corralles not making weight v. Casamayor but he pitched a b***h when Castillo missed weight v. Corralles by 2lbs. like i said, notoriously selective outrage.Posted September 26, 2013 8:45 pm
It’s all good…it’s nice to hear the passion in Old Yank’s posts!!
It means he cares about the sport and its fighters.Posted September 26, 2013 8:44 pm
Old Yank’s outrage is notoriously selective. he compensates for the double-standard with unequivocal condemnations that “must”(?) be sincere(?). that is, until you compare the source of his outrage with similar incidents involving “American” fighters. at which point, his bias becomes very apparent but tenacity not veracity has always been Old Yank’s forte.Posted September 26, 2013 8:40 pm
just treat this fight like it’s Klitschko versus Povetkin…which is a much larger size disparityPosted September 26, 2013 8:39 pm
Fight Aficionado — Consider yourself corrected. Over the years I’ve consistently stood up against boxing shenanigans.Posted September 26, 2013 8:23 pm
Thanks for the correction. Appreciated.Posted September 26, 2013 8:19 pm
There’s a very good chance the fight will be cancelled if Chavez can’t make 173 pounds…at least that’s the sentiment of Ronnie shields.Posted September 26, 2013 8:10 pm
Old Yank:”Of course I get the practical reality that Arum made a business deal with HBO (and others) and needs to salvage an old fashioned screwing of the pooch and turn it into something the parties can live with. But when the fighters are both promoted by Arum it gives him the ability to deal from the bottom of the deck from a fans perspective.”
Bryan Vera is promoted by Artie Pelullo and Banner Promotions…not Bob Arum and Top Rank, Inc.Posted September 26, 2013 8:09 pm
I wonder what happens in Chavez doesn’t even make 173…Posted September 26, 2013 8:08 pm
This is going to be a great event, and I really think Ronnie and Bryan can surprise everyone on Saturday night!!
If you don’t want to watch, Old Yank…then don’t!!
You’re not going to hurt the feelings of any of the fighters, brother!!Posted September 26, 2013 8:02 pm
Stop it, Old Yank!!
OK…Screw the CSAC…Ronnie won’t let anything happen to his fighter.
Is that good enough for you, brother?
This is not the same thing as Gamache/Gatti back in 2000. Don’t bring that up. This is Bryan’s decision to go through with the fight.Posted September 26, 2013 7:58 pm
The BRAIN TRUST called boxing is going to exercise good judgement all of a sudden!Posted September 26, 2013 7:51 pm
Shame on you! I’ve got two words for you: Joey GamachePosted September 26, 2013 7:49 pm
Old Yank, you’re acting more like an old lady now.
if there was a serious threat more than usual to Vera’s health, the California State Athletic Commission would not allow this bout to take place.
Neither would Ronnie Shields or Bryan’s promoter.
Save the drama for the fight, brother!!Posted September 26, 2013 7:35 pm
Vera is going down sorryPosted September 26, 2013 6:32 pm
That will be chavezPosted September 26, 2013 6:31 pm
I now want vera to win as we all know who cannot make weight and who can.Posted September 26, 2013 5:46 pm
I’m genuinely curious now
Thanks for your effortsPosted September 26, 2013 5:32 pm
We’ll like I’ve said I asked what the update is and when he responds u will post it. If it turns out to be a bogus response I will still post and apologogize for my ignorance on that. But my opinion of Arum still stand. I dislike him and the way he has treated some of his boxers and how he has favored othersPosted September 26, 2013 5:29 pm
Thanks for understanding, Tomato Can…
I have to be objective if I expect to be effective as a journalist and radio host.
In this situation, I’m damned if I do damned if I don’t.Posted September 26, 2013 5:28 pm
Joeseph, I understand where you’re coming from. You have a talk show, you have to be politcally correct concerning Bob Arum. I doubt you’ll find many here that are going to be sticking up for Bob Arum here, on any level. I can name many shady things that Bob has done or been part of over the years. I don’t hate Arum, nor do I trust him.Posted September 26, 2013 5:21 pm
That’s why I used to term blind hatred…because of Arum’s detractors collective hatred for Bob Arum, it seems that most are being ultra critical of this very delicate situation.Posted September 26, 2013 4:57 pm
Old Yank and the like…if it seems that I am defending Bob Arum in this specific situation, then yes…I guess I am.
Is it really his fault that Chavez Junior is such a slacker?
Would you guys, in Bob’s situation, cancel the entire fight card and deprive every competing fighter a well deserved payday just because Chavez is an unprofessional prima donna?
Am I defending Bob Arum for everything he’s done in his entire career?
Absolutely not…but that’s the way a lot of posters on this site will percieve it.
So yes and no…to answer your loaded question.Posted September 26, 2013 4:55 pm
is 173lbs a “limit”? anyway, what “controversy”? it’s nothing but shrill gossip about what should be a meaningless tune-up bout to those who have no regard for Chavez Jr. in the first place(?!). if it wasn’t for the shrill (and irrelevant) protests of these prototypical “haters”, who would even be paying attention to Chavez Jr.? fortunately for Jr., the hate and gossip is what fuels his notoriety and marketability. otherwise, this bout would be no more notable than Clottey’s recent bout v. whoever(?). nonetheless and IMO, Jr. remains a dangerous threat to any 168lbr except Ward. he can take and deliver punches with ferocity. i don’t see Froch or Kessler hanging v. Martinez at 160lbs but Jr. took his licks and and delivered some memorable shots of his own before the final bell. not too pleased with the weight “limit”(?) but who really cares considering it’s nothing but a tune-up to help recover from the bogus marijuana-related “offense”. besides, it’s his obvious potential for success that is the primary concern of his pathetic Haters. accordingly: Viva Julio Cesar Chavez Junior!Posted September 26, 2013 4:45 pm
I read your comments as signaling that you thought fans were being unfair to Arum. That you could not understand why they were being so unfair and rose to his defense by calling these unfair acts of fans “blind hatred”.Posted September 26, 2013 4:43 pm
Joseph Herron – Your comments early on suggested that you were coming to Arum’s defense. By example you said, “Why does everyone have this overtly negative opinion of Bob Arum and Top Rank?”
You later added, “You guys are merely regurgitating this blind hatred for Arum and Top Rank without understanding why.” This gave the impression that you saw fans directing blind hatred for Arum but not for other promoters. In fact you added, “…what separates Arum from the others?”
I don’t think anyone was separating Arum from others but you. You appeared to be coming to his aid. You even wondered why fans would single him out when the topic is about another screwing taking place with Arum demanding fans, HBO and Vera bend over.
I’m truly sorry if I read you wrong, but I read your comments as signaling that you thought fans were being unfair to Arum. That you could not understand why they were being so unfair and rose to his defense by calling these unfair acts of fans “blind hatred”. Posting is a flat space and lacks an ability to fully communicate a view. But at the least I will suggest that if you intended to simply call business, business and simply defend Arum as a thief among thieves, then you did a poor job of communicating your position because you sure painted a vastly different communication to me and I doubt I’m alone.
I understand disdain directed at Arum from fans. This is not the first time he pinned garbage to the board and asked us fans to buy it. We had several fans chime in; their posts below expressed the basis for their “overtly negative opinion” of Arum – most of it sounded quite reasonable to me. And finally, reasoned disdain is not “blind hatred”, but rather reasoned disdain. No biggie, but I think you did protest too much!Posted September 26, 2013 4:33 pm
If it is true what you’re saying and not just his word against Bob’s, then spill it, brother.
Bring the evidence.
If it’s true or impactful to the sport, i will jump on the bandwagon and start heading the cause as well.
But right now, I have no idea what allegations you’re refering to.Posted September 26, 2013 4:20 pm
I’d be interested in hearing what Pedro had to say if it didn’t merely sound like a bunch of whining.Posted September 26, 2013 4:17 pm
Trust me, Peej…if there were any truth to what Pedro was saying, more scribes would be on top of that…I would be one of them.
Just like Fight Hype reported Devon Alexander’s trainer talking about Virgil Hunter being pushed out as Khan’s head trainer…it’s crap.
i spoke with Virgil about his status as Khan’s head trainer and he was currently with Khan in training. All is good in that camp.
Writers in this industry have become irresponsible and aren’t intrested in reporting the truth. They just want to make headlines…they don’t care if it’s right or wrong…they also don’t think about what impact it has on the subject’s career or long term health of the sport.Posted September 26, 2013 4:15 pm
Well Arum tried to sue him at one time and it was thrown out because it was proved to be true. Like I said I never believed him until he started putting up evidence of it. And since then I have yet to really find anything false on there. And yet he still has boxers and other high people on his radio show. You saying it is false doesn’t prove that it isn’t. Because other sites don’t put it up doesn’t mean that it isn’t. Him putting up proof makes a strong case for it. And besides that I have shown other reasons why Arum is scumPosted September 26, 2013 4:11 pm
If anyone gave two cents about what Pedro complained about from time to time, then yes…Top Rank would sue him.
He always likes to complain about the fact that no promoters credential him for live events because he supposedly “speaks the truth”.
If anyone read his site on a regular basis, promoters would have no choice but to give him a media credential. Fact is that there are over 122K websites in the US alone that are visited more often than his.
That guy throws anything against the wall just to see if it sticks.Posted September 26, 2013 4:00 pm
Actually at first I didn’t but then he started posting pictures and evidence of what was going on. So now yes I do believe it. I have also just recently asked Pedro for an update on the situation. I used to think he was just harping on Top Rank and had a bone to pick with them, but after all the evidence he has shown and said about Arum I believe it is very true. Plus he would of been sued if it was all lies. That is what Top Rank likes to do.Posted September 26, 2013 3:51 pm
I understand why you are specifically drilling Bob and Top Rank…This is why I posed the question, why is he viewed as the devil…specifically?
What separates him from everyone else? My point is that if you drill Bob Arum, then you had better view every other promoter with the same scrutiny…because they all deserve it…especially Golden Boy Promotions.
But going back to Bob and Top Rank…do they really deserve scrutiny for trying to build a fighter like Chavez as the next PPV star in boxing? Don’t you think they are regretting their decision to sink so much time and money into this kid?
What’s wrong with trying to protect your investment? Again, every promoter does it.Posted September 26, 2013 3:41 pm
Cheato Jr. will come into the fight over 190+lbs as he always does… nothing new for Mexicos Gran Campeon LOLPosted September 26, 2013 2:52 pm
Chavez Jr. should come just simply FAT!!!!!Posted September 26, 2013 2:52 pm
Junior will come in closer to 185Posted September 26, 2013 2:37 pm
So not only is it at 173, 5 lbs above their original agreement, but it’s also a 10 rounder instead of 12. That tells me Chavez Jr’s conditioning is shiat. The makings of an upset? Vera was able to take all of Andy Lee’s bombs and then mount a comeback win.Posted September 26, 2013 2:34 pm
I do believe you are correct when you say that all promoters are in the business for themselve. The problem is in my 42 years of being a boxing fan I’ve had a chance to see Arum and King do tons of damage. Goldenboy is the new big player and as their greed grows we might see more shady practise from them. I would hope they don’t go down the same road but who knows. In my view there is no defending Arum, in my big nutty head Bob Arum is the only reason we didn’t see the Pacquioa/Mayweather fight.Posted September 26, 2013 2:33 pm
Thank you for respecting my opinion, Srminimo…but get it right if you do.
I’m not defending Bob Arum specifically…what I am doing is letting everyone know that he is no worse than any other promoter in the sport.
Every promoter is self serving…just like any business in any faction of the free market.
Boxing is a business…if you’re going to crucify one, then you have to look at everyone with the same scrutiny.Posted September 26, 2013 2:21 pm
Joseph Herron- I respect your opinion on this site, except when it comes to defending Bob Arum. And Golden Boy too BTW. It’s no coincidence the biggest money maker in the sport is a free agent.Posted September 26, 2013 2:13 pm
Guys…think a little bit.
Who are the ones making these claims against Bob Arum?
The people who are in competition with him…that’s who?
Think about their own agendas. Think, guys!!
I see the truth because I have no agenda or a dog in the fight…I m a journalist.Posted September 26, 2013 2:01 pm
Good for you, Rubio, for realizing the truth about the business of boxing.
And you’re right about Chavez Jr…that’s why I show sympathy to Top Rank in this scenario, because they have investing so much time and money in trying to cultivate this tool into the next big PPV star.
What a waste.Posted September 26, 2013 1:51 pm
Jr has solidified his image as a punk.. Part of me wants him to get past Vera so he can get that fight with ggg…who may very well flush that spoiled turd out of the sport with a beatdown.Posted September 26, 2013 1:47 pm
Herron you speak the truth there are no “good guys” in boxing promotion.Posted September 26, 2013 1:44 pm
Every promoter gives money to the sanctioning organizations to get higher ratings.
How do you think Canelo got the chance to fight for the WBC Junior Middleweight title against Matthew Hatton?
That’s nothing new, brother!!Posted September 26, 2013 1:41 pm
You might be right on this one, Dino.
The only thing I’m really worried about concerning Vera’s chances is the fact that he trained for almost 17 weeks for this bout.
I’m afraid that he over trained for this fight.
We’ll see how he reacts to hard shots from Chavez Jr. in this one. If Bryan has his legs underneath him and isn’t showing any signs of overtraining, then I won’t be surprised if he pulls off the upset.
Because of th style match-up, I still favor Chavez to win. But i won’t be surprised if Bryan pulls off the upset.Posted September 26, 2013 1:39 pm
Well, now that Arum has become a “topic” he’s what wikipedia has to say about The Bobfather::
I think Jr might get outworked on this one. Vera will throw more and land more.Posted September 26, 2013 1:34 pm
Go ahead and look it up. I have stated my facts. It is not hear say. No he has not been indicted as of yet but it will be coming. When I have no clue, I don’t work for the FBI but I have seen all the reports because someone has put them up on there website. So you can search it out for yourself. All of it is on Ringtalk.com. And if it was not correct I do believe Arum would of tried to sue. I thought it was incorrect myself until his offices where raided by the FBI. You can try and defend Arum all you want but most of the fans already know Arum is scum.Posted September 26, 2013 1:19 pm
173 is on the high end of the 170-173 rumors. Bet Jr will have to cut down to even make 173. He’s got too many blunts to smoke.Posted September 26, 2013 1:19 pm
You’re misinformed…not I.
Has Bob Arum been indicted of any wrong doing? No? Well then you have no idea what you’re talking about.
No one rigs fights in boxing…it’s rumored garbage.
Schaefer did not send anything to Nonito Donaire…that’s rubbish.
They merely made a public offer through the media and not through the proper channels…why? Because it wasn’t a serious offer.
Top Rank or Cameron Dunkin never received any such offer, because it was bogus.
You can try and crucify Bob Arum all you want, but he is no different than any other promoter in boxing.Posted September 26, 2013 1:06 pm
Let’s be honest, Arum & Associates have NO credibility, just another insult to the minds of true fight fans. How seriously to we take Mr. Bob “I WAS LYING YESTERDAY BUT TODAY I’M TELLING THE TRUTH” Arum?? Remember that one, amigos?? Hilarious!! A lot of stuff Jr has gotten away with has been with the blessings of El Padrino Suliaman, the backing of the influence buying BOB FATHER, the corrupt Texas Boxing Commission/assistant Deputy commissioner Martinez and that other clown who’s name I don’t remember, and others TOO many to mention. I could go into detail of strange, ornery, shady, messy, dirty, underhanded, flagrant, corrupt.. “allegations” in reference to Jr’s fights going back to his first encounter vs “King” John Molina, which ended in a draw, BUT that would take up TOO TOO much time. Is Jr the ACTUAL blame?? Think about it. Yeah, he’s NOT by any means ‘squeaky clean’ innocent but… should all the blame & animosity fall on him?? This Chavez Jr “thang” has ‘snowballed’ into the embarrassing issue/predicament our beloved sport suffers today. Will it end?? Probably not!! As long as the Suliamans, Arums, Texas-like commissions and their kind exist we can surely expect more, A LOT MORE.Posted September 26, 2013 12:57 pm
Joseph I do actually know what I am talking about. Are you aware of the FBI investigation of Arum? You do know they confiscated much of his equipment at his office a few years ago? Do you know about how they treated Yory Boy and not paying him for some of his fights? Not to mention forging checks? Are you aware of the rigged fights Arum set up? And as for bogus offers I am not sure about that. How are they bogus. Schaefer sent a contract over to have Mares fight Donaire. Top Rank straight up refused it, didn’t even try to negotiate. I believe you are missing info here. Yes you may have contacts but it sounds like you are only siding with Top Rank in this. I have stated facts on what went on with this. This is also documented, you can look it all up if you want.Posted September 26, 2013 12:49 pm
urone2: “Joseph Herron, I’m nuts but I’m smart enough to know that the Chavez/Vera fight is one that there is little chance of Vera winning. I also know if you look back those are the fights that Arum set up out side his company. Why wouldn’t he want the Pacquioa/Mayweather fight because if Pacquioa lost it would mean lost popularity and lost revenue. The same reason Arum fought against ODLH/Trinandad. But, like you say I’m nuts, if this is being nuts I’ll take it over being normal like you!”
Urone2, Golden Boy will do the same strategic moves with Canelo’s career, brother. Just watch how they treat his next several fights.
Like I’ve been stating, Golden Boy or any other promoter is no better than Top Rank, Inc. They’re all the same…self serving and very protective of their own interests.Posted September 26, 2013 12:38 pm
You understand more than most how the business of boxing is more like the music industry and not run like other sports.
My point for bringing this up is not in defense of Bob Arum, but merely to point out that all promoters are exactly the same…every fight promoter is self serving.
Because Golden Boy and Canelo Promotions chose CJ Ross as their lone selection for the September 14th bout, does that mean that they tried to rig the fight?
No…it just means that they noticed the trend in her judging style just like I did.
Promoters will try to stack the odds in their favor…it doesn’t mean that the outcome is fixed.
Every promoter, including Golden Boy Promotions, is guilty of this.
That’s my point…there’s no reason to single out Bob Arum and Top Rank, Inc.Posted September 26, 2013 12:32 pm
Again, you really don’t know what you’re talking about in this scenario…but most fight fans don’t.
Golden Boy hasn’t made any serious offers to Top Rank…they’ve only made bogus offers through media outlets to try and push their brand over Top Rank.
And judging by most fight fans’ negative reaction to Bob Arum and Top Rank, they’v succeeded.Posted September 26, 2013 12:27 pm
Mbuyiseli:”Joseph you are a moron, dance around the facts all you like. Still wondering how boxing has got this bad with judges, refs, cheats given 3rd and 4th chances? It’s your ilk, that kill boxing. You not a pugilist fanatic like us you are a Arum mini me. Good luck.”
If you really think that there is legitimate cheating going on in the sport and you still follow it religiously, then you are the idiot.
For the last time, there is no cheating going on in boxing. Promoters merely try to stack the odds in their favor…just like the casinos.
If promoters fixed fights, then no one would continue to support the product.
Bob Arum and Top Rank are the very best a cultivating a young fighter to prominence.
Floyd and Oscar are perfect examples of this. Most of Floyd and Oscar’s fans make the argument that they eventually made more money after leaving Arum, but it was Top Rank that placed them in that position to begin with.
They wouldn’t have been in that position to make it on their own without Top Rank’s nurturing efforts.Posted September 26, 2013 12:22 pm
Joseph Herron — I get your points, but I don’t see how they come to the defense of Bob Arum.
In the music industry when getting signed by a label was the Holy Grail for a musician, labels eventually became filled with Armani suits who graduated from the Ivy League and void of A&R guys willing to develop talent. The result was a marketplace fed a bunch of one hit wonders or silly boy bands, whinny girls with a folk guitar or rap. Real talent was getting squeezed out because making a buck took a front seat to making music.
Should Goldenboy shoot themselves in the foot by making money rather than making fighters, then so be it. It sucks; but none of it allows Arum to look better by pretending that De La Hoya is so low that Arum can stand on his shoulders. He can’t!Posted September 26, 2013 12:17 pm
HA UYAGANGA L0MFANA L0NA MBUYI!Posted September 26, 2013 12:01 pm
Joseph you are a moron, dance around the facts all you like. Still wondering how boxing has got this bad with judges, refs, cheats given 3rd and 4th chances? It’s your ilk, that kill boxing. You not a pugilist fanatic like us you are a Arum mini me. Good luck.Posted September 26, 2013 11:54 am
I’m nuts but I’m smart enough to know that the Chavez/Vera fight is one that there is little chance of Vera winning. I also know if you look back those are the fights that Arum set up out side his company. Why wouldn’t he want the Pacquioa/Mayweather fight because if Pacquioa lost it would mean lost popularity and lost revenue. The same reason Arum fought against ODLH/Trinandad. But, like you say I’m nuts, if this is being nuts I’ll take it over being normal like you!Posted September 26, 2013 11:54 am
bottomline…top skank has spoon fed this KNOWN cheater one two many times…. vera has NO choice really..either work or dont get paid…most men left without a choice will strap up their boots and work….theres no excuse for it…weightclasses were designed for the saftey of the sport…the show must go on but seriously, Chavez Jr. is a chump..he needs to fight in the right weight class so he could get his ass handed to himPosted September 26, 2013 11:50 am
Joseph Herron — With all due respect again, HBO signed an 18 month exclusive with Goldenboy that was a one-way street: HBO could ONLY showcase Goldenboy fighters; Goldenboy guaranteed HBO a flow of fighters; HBO had no requirement that Goldenboy could only fight their fighters on HBO. It is highly doubtful that HBO was inclined to sign an exclusive with Goldenboy had Arum been a dream to do business with! The HBO/Goldenboy contract has concluded. Goldenboy has apparently been offered better terms at Showtime. Its business; at the end of the day it appears as if the big players find doing business with Goldenboy a “better” deal than doing business with Arum.
Years ago the Fox Network pulled a coup by placing a winning bid for NFL Football – it STUNNED CBS. If Showtime has placed a “winning bid” for Goldenboy fighters, then so be it.
Arum appears to be getting rolled a bit here. Don King did that to him many years ago and Arum eventually fought back. Let’s see what happens and how or if Arum takes a stand.
How Arum has played this Chavez, Jr fiasco with HBO does not bode well as a sign that Arum is capable of delivering serious boxing to HBO.
As a side note: I continue to believe that HBO would be best served to drop the fight.Posted September 26, 2013 11:44 am
Canelo cheats with his weight as well and the Mayweathers know it so they made sure he dropped enough weight to not be able to balloon up to his normal 172+lbs fight night…Posted September 26, 2013 11:41 am
Not to mention Arum stood by Margacheato after he was caught using plaster of paris in his cloves and then backed him up saying he should be able to fight again. Sorry but Arum is shady and has nothing to do with the so called smear campaign of Floyd and OscarPosted September 26, 2013 11:34 am
Funny but they have made offers to Top Rank only for them to be shot down. Sorry but Arum has been doing a lot more things than Golden Boy has done. How come HBO didn’t bar Arum from their network after taking Pac to Showtime for his fight with Bradley? Golden Boy was not taking fighters from HBO over to Showtime. Mayweather is the only fighter that did that and signed a long term deal. HBO allows Arum to have showcase fight after showcase fight for his fighters and that is why Arum stays at showtime. Not to mention HBO also said they weren’t doing business with Al Haymon. I am guessing they are only allowing it to work out with Ward because Ward is a commentator on HBO. I believe you are way off on this. Arum is a thief and has broken federal law when it comes to boxing.Posted September 26, 2013 11:33 am
bottomline is he’s been busted cheating and knows he can’t cheat any longer without risking getting busted for a third time…Posted September 26, 2013 11:02 am
The only reason Junior can’t make weight now is because he is being watched very carefully and knows he’s going to be tested. Otherwise he’d have no problem making weight Cheating like he’s done so many other times…Posted September 26, 2013 11:01 am
DRUGS CHEAT AND A BUM.Posted September 26, 2013 10:55 am
You have it all wrong…Bob Arum has no problem doing business with Golden Boy.
Golden Boy doesn’t want to do business with anyone but Golden Boy.
Why do you think HBO eliminated GBP from all sports programming?
Because Golden Boy was showcasing their prospects on HBO, then moving them to Showtime once they benefited from the exposure and became stars.
HBO had enough and completely eliminated them from their roster.
GBP is no different than Top Rank or anyone else throughout the history of the sport.
It’s a business. Every promoter is in it for themselves…that’s it.Posted September 26, 2013 10:51 am
Boxing is a dark business. Its history is rooted at the end of dark allys with matches hidden from authorities. Arum has his critics because he’s earned them!Posted September 26, 2013 10:37 am
el gordoPosted September 26, 2013 10:35 am
Joseph Herron — Are you suggesting that if all promoters are sleazebags that since Arum is only one among many that he should not have his detractors? What kind of logic is that?Posted September 26, 2013 10:33 am
Apparently a silver spoon enema is sufficient for Junior to make the new 168! What’s the new 168 you ask? Apparently the new 168 is 173!!Posted September 26, 2013 10:30 am
Joseph Herron, Well this is a dang good example of why. They have now said that we need to wait for them to weigh in before we actually find out what the weight will be for the fight. That is ridiculous. Lets see, the Bradley vs Marquez fight. They both signed the contract to have USDA and VADA to the random drug testing. Then Bob came in and changed it all up saying that Nevada will now do the testing that VADA and USDA do. They have never done this test before and as far as we know have yet to even attempt the test yet. He was the main culprit on why Pac vs Floyd not being made. I am still waiting on that stadium to be built. He refuses to do business with certain promoters, IE Golden Boy. Lets see his favorite line is I was lying to you yesterday but I am telling the truth today. He is also guilty of rigging boxing matches. Not to mention he was also in an FBI investigation that is still on going as far as I know. So there are a few examples for youPosted September 26, 2013 10:29 am
I’m not saying Arum is perfect, what I am saying is that no promoter in this sport is…what separates Arum from the others?
Is it that Floyd and Oscar have successfully started a smear campaign and Bob hasn’t? That’s the only difference that I can see.
Ask any fighter…Golden Boy is no different in most areas and worse in some.Posted September 26, 2013 10:28 am
Joseph Herron — With all due respect, any suggestion that Arum is beyond reproach flies in the face of reality. In 2004 the FBI raided Arum’s offices. To be sure no charges followed. But men as white as the driven snow are not usually the subject of 20-month investigations leading up to an office raid by the FBI. Remember, the California Justice Department received a referral from the California State Athletic Commission and the California Surrogate Court on a possible criminal action regarding Margarito’s glove loading. The justice department did not fail to prosecute because they did not think Margarito guilty of glove loading, they chose not to prosecute because of the cost of the trial and holes/weaknesses in the evidence combined to make a conviction difficult and expensive to achieve.
Arum’s defense of Margarito’s glove loading is reason alone to consider him less than a stand up guy.
Bob Arum has detractors for many reasons and the eye law enforcement seems to keep on him adds weight to why his detractors exist.Posted September 26, 2013 10:24 am
DMX – Both Senior and Junior admitted Senior was a drug abusing Alcoholic when jr was growing up and Chavez was Champion.. no wonder he loaded his Wraps like MargaCheato..Posted September 26, 2013 10:15 am
Mexican Chavez Jr vs Puerto Rican Palacios.. Cruiserweight or Light Heavyweight.. lets see if Chavez Jr. is a man or Chihuahua..Posted September 26, 2013 10:13 am
Why does everyone have this overtly negative opinion of Bob Arum and Top Rank?
Oscar and Floyd have really curbed public opinion regarding the Hall of Fame promoter, but no one seems to understand why.
Bob is responsible for cultivating both fighter’s careers and nurturing their path the right way. No one seems to realize this. Bob and Bruce are the very best at cultivating a fighter from the ground up.
When Top Rank is doing their business they are trying to keep most of the fights in house. Only when there’s no alternative do they break from the course of keeping all of the money in house. No one is saying Bob Arum isn’t smart but, it’s all about his business. It’s not about what the fighter might want, when ODLH and FM wanted to fight anyone they wanted they had to leave Arum. If they didn’t anytime they wanted to take on a tough fight they had a tougher fight with Arum.Posted September 26, 2013 10:02 am
J0SEPH HERR0N seems to be a real dummy.Posted September 26, 2013 9:58 am
Chavez is just a lazy bum; I doubt he’ll ever amount to anything.Posted September 26, 2013 9:57 am
Most fighters do this not just Mexican, everyone in boxing try to find one advantage or another. Stop trying to bash Mexicans most are great fighters and great competitors. Bash the promoter for ripping them off, and setting up unfair contest.Posted September 26, 2013 9:53 am
JOSEPH “ARUM” HERRON – 0DH & MAYWEATHER MADE M0RE MONEY AND WERE MORE FAMOUS AFTER THEY OEFT TOP STINK! NO JUANMA VS GAMBOA! NO MAYWEATHER VS COTTO & PAC! NO FIGHTS FOR RIGO AND ALVARADO BUT YEAH PAC VS RIOS AND NONITO VS VIC ( RIP OFFS). WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES HERRON. ARUM AND TOP STINK ARE KILLING BOXING. Instead of wasting money on JCC jnr why not build up GGG?Posted September 26, 2013 9:51 am
Brazilian Boxing Fan
Chavez Jr. should move up to Light-Heavyweight after this fight.Posted September 26, 2013 9:44 am
J0SEPH HERR0N – ” Why does everyone have this overtly negative opinion of Bob Arum and Top Rank?” thats because we are N0T 0N THE PAYR0LL LIKE Y0U!Posted September 26, 2013 9:39 am
Although he is a tough guy, I didn’t give Vera much chance in this fight when it was announced. Now, however, it is clear that Chavez is not taking the game seriously. I still think Chavez will win. If it goes the distance, and the fight is in any way close, the decision goes to him. Still, if Chavez is not in top shape, Vera has a slim chance of an upset. I don’t like Chavez’ chances with any top men at 168.Posted September 26, 2013 9:37 am
Amateur HourPosted September 26, 2013 8:12 am
I think Chavez will win this but he needs to settle in at 168 IMO.Posted September 26, 2013 7:59 am
JC, jr is a good fighter, but come one, now…how about meeting weight! The day that Julio fights another talented fighter that is naturally bigger than him is the day he gets exposed, for his toughness and size-advantage will only take him so far.Posted September 26, 2013 7:03 am
Jonn E. JaGozza
I’m still a bit undecided about Chavez Jr, Martinez did a job on him in almost the same fashion that Hopkins did on Palvik a few years ago..
But they won’t air Rigo? But a pot head gets first preference. Nothing wrong with Arum, Joseph you are plain dumb. You need help, Arum told us to f… off for Gamby vs JuanMa, Mayweather vs Cotto in 2005/6. This is all racial which brings in cash, Mexican fighter will get better treatment than a Cuban fighter. Those are facts even if the Mexican fighter is crap like Chavez Jr. By the way Chavez is pure garbage let him fight 168lbs and above and see him get put to sleep.Posted September 26, 2013 5:25 am
Vera should have asked for sticker drug testing.Posted September 26, 2013 4:59 am
Julio Ceasar Chavez Snr is in a small shed at the end of his garden in Mexico
He has tears running down his cheeks as he smashes his pen!s with a mallet
The shame of bring up a fat stoner of a son shaming the Warrior Legacy he started
The shamePosted September 26, 2013 4:33 am
HBO should be ashamed of themselves to air this jokePosted September 26, 2013 4:19 am
He is an embarrassment and a disgrace to the lineage of Mexican boxersPosted September 26, 2013 4:17 am
Joseph Herron- Look what Arum did 2 Gamboa? That’s just 1 example of the way he rolls.Posted September 26, 2013 3:16 am
Vera should lay down at the beginninging of Round 1, get the cash, nobody should watch the fight and Chavez and his bunch of ??$%& ???-consultants please leave the scene of boxing. Chavez could be named the ATG of Mexico or whatever.Posted September 26, 2013 3:09 am
A very small part of me realizes this is Chavez’s first training camp since splitting with Alex Ariza, who was obviously instrumental in Chavez making weight for however many fights they were together. But Chavez has a history of being poorly disciplined, and to come in grossly overweight in his first fight back from suspension, screw him, he’s no longer worth anyone’s time or commitment. All he is now is a heavier version of Joan Guzman.
Joan Guzman EARNT his stripes and is very highly skilled unlike Junioe……..Posted September 26, 2013 2:55 am
This is sad hope vera is getting paid top dollar for this garbage.Posted September 26, 2013 1:59 am
My only beef with Chavez is that he needs to be honest with himself and his opponents about what weight he can realistically make. If 173 is his weight after a good training camp, then so be it… he’s a Light Heavy and should fight at Light Heavy.
Daniel- I dont think Sr. is force feeding cheeseburgers to Jr., so I fail to see where he’s to blame here.Posted September 26, 2013 12:39 am
Chavez Jr is a disgrace. He continues to tarnish the legendary family name. This kid needs to go do something else. Seems like he has his own rules and has Jose Sulaiman changing anything he wants at any time. Jr may be tough and has fight in him, but he is a disaster waiting to happen. He’s pathetic! He continues to run his mouth about how hard he trains and is in great shape, and he’s full of crap. Making weight is a must, and those who don’t need to forfeit their pay and suspended for 6 months to one year. Boxers need to do things right. Jr is a joke.Posted September 26, 2013 12:17 am
Why does everyone have this overtly negative opinion of Bob Arum and Top Rank?
Oscar and Floyd have really curbed public opinion regarding the Hall of Fame promoter, but no one seems to understand why.
Bob is responsible for cultivating both fighter’s careers and nurturing their path the right way. No one seems to realize this. Bob and Bruce are the very best at cultivating a fighter from the ground up.Posted September 26, 2013 12:09 am
I still like Junior. He has decent skills, a fighting heart and, don’t you forget, he had Martinez over and almost out. His problem is his clan from which he must distance himself pronto. His father, for all his past greatness, is as big an ass as the Garcia’s and Mayweather Srs. for which the sons/nephews serve as ego boosters and meal tickets, exclusively. And, man, your career is in the U.S. so please learn the language!Posted September 26, 2013 12:09 am
No need to feel bad for Top Rank. They did this to themselves. arum is a greedy old man. He brought this on himself. It’s not like this is the 2nd or 3rd time this has happenedPosted September 25, 2013 11:46 pm
As long as he passes the blunt to’m me between rounds!. Really tho I think I’ll dvr this one. Buckeyes are on primetimePosted September 25, 2013 11:39 pm
A very small part of me realizes this is Chavez’s first training camp since splitting with Alex Ariza, who was obviously instrumental in Chavez making weight for however many fights they were together. But Chavez has a history of being poorly disciplined, and to come in grossly overweight in his first fight back from suspension, screw him, he’s no longer worth anyone’s time or commitment. All he is now is a heavier version of Joan Guzman.Posted September 25, 2013 11:37 pm
How about training? That could b an option… Easy money 4 Ward, Froch, also think Abraham Stieglitz and Kessler will own Chavez if he can make the weight…. Big hype easy pay dayPosted September 25, 2013 11:35 pm
Smart move by Ronnie to reduce the length of the fight by two rounds. Now Vera can attempt to amp up the pace a bit. Because really folks, he’ll need to. Jr. will be pressing him for 10 full rounds. Between hits on the joint, of course.Posted September 25, 2013 11:34 pm
All posts valid points…. He’s disrespectful nothing morePosted September 25, 2013 11:33 pm
Growing boy, or lazy, fat beer guzzling, kid who just doesn’t have it in him to give it his all? Alright, maybe Stevenson will get a crack at Chavez Jr.Posted September 25, 2013 11:17 pm
Also if he intends on campainging at 168 in future cant they roll out a 3rd tier smw to fight him, or maybe just to be safe a 4th tier smw.Posted September 25, 2013 11:11 pm
Way to make a joke of this sport, like it needed anymore punchlines…Posted September 25, 2013 11:08 pm
Just make him fight at a comfortable weight instead of making him fight guys much smaller which will give him an advantage. Mexican fighters rely on this as a tactical advantage. The moment this guy fights one fighter his size he’ll fold same with Brandon Rios and most of these other Mexican fighters. One Mexican fighter I know that relies on skill instead of size is Marquez, he’s a true talent, alot these other guys are just lazy fighters who hope their bigger size gives them the edge.Posted September 25, 2013 11:02 pm
Im worthless. Feeling like a confused little girl.Posted September 25, 2013 10:48 pm
I really feel bad for the brass at Top Rank. They’ve invested so much time and money in cultivating JCC Junior, only to see it compromised with a lack of work ethic and professionalism.
What a waste!!Posted September 25, 2013 10:29 pm
In order for Bryan to go through with this fight, the monetary compensation must have been at least 6 figures.
Ronnie doesn’t play around when it comes to the health of his fighters. I really like the fact that Ronnie made the stipulation of a ten round fight.
We’ll see if this makes a difference in the bout.Posted September 25, 2013 10:27 pm
i saw pictures of Lardass jr baconsheeseburger a couple of days ago huffin and puffin on a treadmill and I knew he wasnt gonna make weight. what a jokePosted September 25, 2013 10:25 pm
Apparently Chavez has his own rules he can follow.Posted September 25, 2013 10:24 pm