It’s Me, Ernie
Still no facts, just spin, once again showing your true colors as a pole-smoking liberal…Posted October 1, 2013 1:56 pm
Idiot Ernie.., Do your family a favor. Just die.Posted September 30, 2013 3:26 pm
Get that birth certificate turd.Posted September 28, 2013 12:14 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Go work on those champs names liar…Posted September 28, 2013 2:31 am
Idiot Ernie.., You’re a bum… Fury could step on you and squash you like the dog turd you are… Which would be a great gift to humanity.Posted September 27, 2013 5:18 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
j mc, that doesn’t apply in this case, Fury is a bum…Posted September 26, 2013 11:20 pm
AssyrianGod.., Strong points about nationalist, era, and generation bias.
Today’s era of heavyweights is a strong one compared to many prior eras.. It’s just that a lot of American heavyweights don’t have world-class status at the moment.. That leads to a sour grapes analysis.
That’s a good thing.. Prolific global talent in the division has squeezed Wilder, Hanks, Jennings, Arreola, Thompson, Banks, Scott, etc. off the world stage at the moment. There are a lot of American heavyweights, they’re just having tons of problems cracking the 10-Ten, where Americans used to dominate — more due to prior global weakness in the heavyweight division than anything else.
That’s OK.. Boxing fans, even in the United States, still know the names of a lot of global heavyweights.., They have seen in action, more heavyweights than they seen cruiserweights, flyweights, bantamweights, featherweights, lightweights, light heavyweights, and some other weight divisions..
Heavyweights haven’t gone away, the best ones just aren’t Americans.Posted September 26, 2013 3:30 pm
Tyson fury will win the fight by ko in the later rounds. a good big man will always beat a good little man.Posted September 26, 2013 2:05 pm
Wait, this thread is not about Haye and Fury and hasn’t been for 50 posts? OK.Posted September 26, 2013 1:38 pm
Tark = Ramsey
Floyd is no longer a “natural 130 pounder”. As a youngster maybe, but not for many years now.Posted September 26, 2013 7:50 am
Oleg.., “You forget The Thrilla In Manilla in 1975.”
People always site that fight… Too me, Frazier was WAAAAY FARRR GONE in that fight.. Frazier wasn’t just out of shape…he couldn’t move his head and had a ton of physical and medical problems.. enlarged heart… massively high blood pressure… bad vision…
I thought Ali was well aware of Frazier’s condition and made himself a target.. When Frazier landed, Ali made the punches look more damaging then they were—for dramatic effect—and to goad a spent Frazier to keep throwing.. When Frazier was totally exhausted Ali was in his glory.. He smashed Joe all over the ring with impunity.. Nothing was coming back now.. Not one serious punch as Ali ripped into Frazier.
Thankfully Eddie Fuch saw what Ali had in mind and stopped the fight. I believe Ali wanted a dramatic KO victory with Frazier on the deck, and I was yelling for Futch to stop it… It was target practice and the target was as wide open as the Grand Canyon… Ali was also overweight and out of condition, but not one third as bad as Frazier.Posted September 26, 2013 12:34 am
dwc…, “Mayweather isnt getting hit by heavyweights”
No.., But Floyd is a natural 130-pounder.. He fought at 130 for most of his career fights and until he was 25 years old.. He faced 2 guys who came into the ring at 165 and DLH was over 170 when he fought Floyd.
Floyd just defends a lot better than Ali ever did.. and probably better than Holmes, Vitali, Tunney, or any heavyweight did.Posted September 26, 2013 12:04 am
TARK, Clay/Mo Ali took most of his punishment post 1970. Norton x 3, with a broken jaw in the first fight, Foreman, Frazier x 3. You forget The Thrilla In Manilla in 1975 which was a brutal, gruelling affair. Shavers. Plus Spinks, Holmes, Berbick like you say. The Holmes beating was brutal. Ali thought he could take it all, and he could…..on the night. He and his camp weren’t thinking of the cumulative affect. All those punches count. Loved Ali though. He fought too long. He should have left it alone after Frazier III in hindsightPosted September 25, 2013 9:13 pm
Tark…Liston was 34 in the first fight..not that old for his style.And the skilled Patterson was 30 I think against Ali..and Ali footwork sure helped.Not that Ali was a flat footed bum when he came back…but I belive with his stlye of fighting we missed some of the peak of Ali,when he was sidelined.And yes Mayweather is a rare breed of fighter…no doubt.But Mayweather isnt getting hit by heavyweights,now if Ali faced only a couple of huge punchers or not he was still facing the bigger boys that put more of a hurting on you when they connect.Posted September 25, 2013 8:28 pm
Oleg says…, “Clay/Ali boxed too long and too many times against murderous punchers.”
How about against fair punchers??? Only murderous punchers he ever fought were Foreman and Shavers… Foreman was “swinging like a sissy” that night according to Ali — so that wasn’t a big problem.
Shavers was knocked out 7 or 8 times himself and Larry Holmes fought him twice… Ali beat Shavers going away … and he didn’t take ridiculous punishment.
The fights that wrecked Ali were the 1st Frazier fight… the 1st Cooper fight… the Alvin Lewis fight… the Norton fights… the Holmes fight… the first Leon Spinks fight… and the Berbick fight… That was 70% of the punishment right there.Posted September 25, 2013 7:48 pm
Clay/Ali was too easy to hit post 1970. Have you seen him recently? Clay/Ali boxed too long and too many times against murderous punchers. None of you will pick up his tabs. Criticizing Wilad for being careful? iHow long has Wlad boxed now? 17 years since he won SHW gold in 1996. Great HW champion.Posted September 25, 2013 7:22 pm
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)
Vitali Klitschko suffered three cuts (one extremely deep, jagged and potentially career ending) from Lewis’ illegal blows that required SIXTY STITCHES. VK fought again less than six months later after his cuts were completely healed. And that eye has never been a problem since.
Haye gets a little cut in sparring that typically isn’t even close to big enough to stop a bout — which requires ONLY five stitches — and his ESB fan-boy club argues that he needs five months to heal. Some of you keyboard “experts” have no idea what you’re talking about.
Clearly you don’t have much experience with being cut or being around fighters healing from cuts. And you have an inaccurate understanding of how long it takes for these type of injuries to heal. This isn’t a triple-bypass open heart surgery, brain operation, or knee reconstruction.
Blame the five month delay on the networks, scheduling, promoters, managers, needing to start over with a new training camp, etc., but don’t try to over-exaggerate the seriousness of Haye’s cut. In the sport of boxing, this is NOT considered a serious cut that requires five months of healing time. Real talk.Posted September 25, 2013 7:08 pm
EZ E.., “Ali was easy to hit BUT Cassius Clay wasn’t.” … Not really,
Ali was harder to hit because Clay was green… Ali defended better.
Clay took those big left hooks from Sonny Banks and Henry Cooper that floored him hard.. Clay was pretty much out for a couple seconds when he got nailed with the Cooper shot.. Remember Cooper weighed only 185 … And Light Heavyweight Doug Jones found Clay with a ton of hard blows when Clay was 21 years old. It was a touch-and-go fight.
In contrast — When Mike Tyson was 21 years old He smashed ATG Light Heavyweight Michael Spinks TFO in 90 seconds FLAT.
I like to compare the 2 efforts… Mike could bring it at 21. Clay, not reallyPosted September 25, 2013 6:40 pm
Idiot Ernie.., Go soak your head ignoramus. You had Canelo beating Floyd.Posted September 25, 2013 6:24 pm
I think Tark is about as knowledgeable about boxing as my dog. What a complete idiot.Posted September 25, 2013 4:33 pm
TARK, DONT EVER MENTION THAT PRICK HAYE IN THE SAME WORLD AS ALI.Posted September 25, 2013 3:30 pm
dwc.., Fancy dancing isn’t something you can do against anyone who has the skills, size, and weapons to track you down, cut the ring off, and make you fight.. Fancy dancing didn’t work with Frazier or Norton. They forced Ali to fight.
It didn’t even work with Mildenberger when Ali was about 25.. But Ali was so much bigger, stronger, taller, and more skilled than Mildenberger it didn’t matter.. He could outpunch him.. Before his layoff Ali never met a good prime boxer with the skills, size, strength, weapons, and athleticism to render his showboat fancy dancing useless. It’s a tactic that only works against older guys like Liston and Williams—or crude, unskilled, clumsy, unathletic guys like Chavalo, Wepner, Bugner, London, Mildenberger, Dunn, Cooperman, et al… Ali still danced his ass off against this type of opponent in his 30’s. His speed certainly hadn’t diminished at all.
Is Floyd slower now than when he was 25? He hasn’t lost much speed, if any. Floyd is just a better fighter due to being vastly more experienced and the fact he keeps working to improve his skills.
The only big, strong, tall, fast, tough, good boxer Ali ever met—who could punch at all—was Larry Holmes. Ali never met anyone like Holmes in his first reign as Heavyweight Champion. Guys like Holmes or Haye just weren’t around at that time to test Ali … Nobody really good was around to test Ali. A large slice of the world couldn’t even box professionally.Posted September 25, 2013 3:23 pm
Tark…Some of those guys the lay-off hurt,some it even helped to a degree.But Ali depened on speed and fancy footwork,the age and time span he was out hurt him as a fighter more then helped.The quick flashy Ali was coming to an end by his late 20s.Posted September 25, 2013 2:32 pm
5 months from now? Did Haye get a cut over his eye or have open heart surgery? Guess he is slow healer.Posted September 25, 2013 2:26 pm
Mick the Marmalizer
“To rest is to rust”!!……………….Posted September 25, 2013 2:12 pm
EZ E.., “By the time Ali returned from ‘exile’ the inactivity had taken it’s toll.”
That layoff did Ali a lot of good. Nagging injuries were healed and Ali was bigger, stronger, and better technically than ever at 28. And Ali wasn’t the only great heavyweight who was forced out for 3.5 years or longer.
Joe Louis was out 4 years.
Vitali Klitschko was out 4 years.
Jack Dempsey was out 3 years.
Mike Tyson was out 4 years due to wrongful conviction.
George Foreman was out 10 years.
Larry Holmes was out a combined 5 years.
Liston spent 6 years in lockup—mostly for stuff that wasn’t his fault.
Jeffries was out 5 years.
That’s just great heavyweight champions—whose careers were interrupted, sometimes involuntarily. Life happened. Luck happens too. Ali got an early start as an amateur and pro. Holmes got a late start as an amateur and pro. You work with the hand you’re dealt. Life doesn’t fall into place for everybody as beautifully as it did for Ali.Posted September 25, 2013 1:40 pm
“I’d caution anyone who’s going to buy a ticket to the February rematch to wait until the fight night. You never know what’s going to happen with Haye” – Ned makes a good point. How many times has Faye canceled bouts? Those who bought flights and hotels and tickets are screwed. Some were saying Faye will become uninsurable. I don’t think it’s gotten that bad but it’ll cost a lot more to insure bouts involving him than before. And anyone who arranges vacation and travel to attend one of his fights has only themselves to blame going forward.Posted September 25, 2013 1:17 pm
I have a feeling not many on this site have suffered a cut. It takes time to heal and five months sounds like a month to early.Posted September 25, 2013 12:23 pm
Ray how are you my man?Posted September 25, 2013 11:48 am
thank you, Dr.Ernie.Posted September 25, 2013 11:21 am
Khan is NOT a great fighter who deserves a title shot at Mayweather!!Posted September 25, 2013 11:16 am
It’s Me, Ernie
It takes a little over three months for a cut of that type to heal, then there are logistics to think of so that amount of time for postponement is warranted. Some of these posters have no clue…Posted September 25, 2013 10:44 am
AS SOME OF YOU SAID OVER FOUR MONTHS FOR A CUT EYE,HAYE”S A WASTE OF SPACE.Posted September 25, 2013 10:13 am
i agree so much!!
Please please do not let Amir Khan get a shot at Mayweather. Chinny Khan is already ducking out of a fight with Devon Alexander. He must think a fight with “Money” is happening in May 2014? Please no. Khan is a joke, he’s never fought at welterweight, has no belts and got floored by past-his-prime Julio Diaz last time out. How can Khan possibly deserve a fight against Mayweather? It’s crazy. Please don’t let it happen!Posted September 25, 2013 9:04 am
what a easy fight for David Haye if they meet in february..
Some stupid comments about Haye on this site. Perhaps those that think he is so crap would welcome the opportunity to get in the ring with him? This is boxing people, a cut whether deep or not needs time to heal. So what if it is only 5 stitches, if it is deep it needs to heal from the inside out otherwise it will just open up again with the right amount of pressure. Fury has been knocked down before, even almost knocked himself out once. Despite improving somewhat over the past year or two I still don’t think that he has what it takes to chase Haye around a ring for 12 rounds without becoming cumbersome and slowing down. Haye will KO him in the second half of the fight, and I don’t think Fury will be given the chance to recover. With the inevitable second knockdown/ or KO he will be unable to continue and Haye will be victorious.Posted September 25, 2013 8:14 am
Haye isn’t fit enough to box oranges these days!!Posted September 25, 2013 8:04 am
Haye is both underated by some people and overrated by others. Incidentially, on a separate note, Boytsov is injured again too. Let’s hope a fight between David and Denis is never scheduled, because it would be endlessly postponed!Posted September 25, 2013 8:02 am
for some reason, the comment box is ismall letters. the remarks come out fine. Wlad.Posted September 25, 2013 7:09 am
TARK Well YES, Haye is better than what many believe and.. YES, Charles wasn’t a true Hwt but an ATG fighter in my very humble opinion. And.. maybe, according to you, Ali was easy to hit BUT Cassius Clay wasn’t. We never got to see THEE BEST of Ali. WE were denied that opportunity because of the draft/Vietnam situation and HE was denied the opportunity to display THEE BEST of himself. By the time he returned from ‘exile’ the inactivity had taken it’s toll, it’s usually tougher on bigger fighters, especially when they depended on their speed and agility. If you don’t, and probably won’t, take my word for it I invite you to ask any true knowledgeable trainer. And by then there was a decent crop of young opposition at the time, too. Peace!Posted September 25, 2013 7:05 am
Come on…this kinda thing happens all the time. Fights get injured. There is no way that David is running away from fighting Fury…not a chance. He is in a completely different league, faster, smarter, more powerful, far superior skillset..Posted September 25, 2013 6:34 am
flwad??????Posted September 25, 2013 5:44 am
cool. pulev should get the winner flwad-povetkin.Posted September 25, 2013 4:50 am
Haye should compensate Fury in some way for instigating this set back…..Seems unprofessional to be sparring big time so late in training. I can imagine what team Haye would be saying if it where the other way around……What I can’t imagine is what a poster on here who thinks he his the be all and last word in boxing can make a flatulent statement like “Ali was good but to easy to hit “…….yeah…Posted September 25, 2013 4:37 am
Can’t see a stay busy fight happening even though I agree its a good idea. The handlers won’t let that happen as a cut or injury could throw away a big payday.Posted September 25, 2013 3:21 am
Mick the Marmalizer
Without doubt Fury must have a keep busy fight before February & his best option would be to take a slot on a card in Germany. He’s never fought there & the exposure would serve him well.Posted September 25, 2013 3:07 am
Larry the Limey
Haye is full of Malarkey and will be a no-show in Feb 8th too.Posted September 25, 2013 1:30 am
Larry the Limey
Haye is going to get smashed. Smashed in his little pin head. Then he will go home and get smashed on Watneys funky ale. Blarg!!Posted September 25, 2013 1:28 am
Seems like a very long time 4 a cut…. When was Hayes last fight?Posted September 25, 2013 1:22 am
Haye is a joke. He didn’t bother training and needs more time. I hope Fury kicks his ass.Posted September 25, 2013 12:40 am
Haye is underrated as a boxer.
I haven’t seen a lot of terrific boxers who were heavyweights — The Klitschkos, Haye, Lewis, Holmes, Charles — and I didn’t consider Charles a true heavyweight.. Louis and Tunney were very good too, and Johnson … That’s about it. Around 10 or so in all history.. Not a whole lot of heavyweights could box as well as Haye.
Patterson was good, but too easy to hit.. Ali was good but too easy to hit.. The histroy of the heavyweight division is almost barren of great boxers.Posted September 24, 2013 11:23 pm
Haye had a broken toe and didn’t postpone the fight… My guess is this fight comes off … and Haye and Fury both fight brilliantly. I expect Haye to get the decision … He’s a formidable boxer-puncher.Posted September 24, 2013 10:59 pm
Fury should forget about Haye and look at others to fight. If Haye gets a hangnail he will postpone a fight.Posted September 24, 2013 10:49 pm
I’d caution anyone who’s going to buy a ticket to the February rematch to wait until the fight night. You never know what’s going to happen with Haye, he’s unstable and the bout could be cancelled again.Posted September 24, 2013 10:24 pm
Exiled Yank.., “That must be one heck of a cut to need four months to heal”
He’s got to get it healed… Then he needs another 3 to 6 weeks of sparring 10 days ahead of the fight. There’s only so many great dates.Posted September 24, 2013 9:43 pm
Jonn E. JaGozza
I hate to say it but I think this article has some credibility and after watching and following Haye’s fighting career , i think he thinks he’s great but simply, he’s NOT as GREAT as he thinks.. in short,, i think he’s way over his head in this fight and that he’s going to get beat up by FURY. Mr. Hayes is a good talker, NOT A GREAT TALKER , BUT ONLY A GOOD TALKER, and doesn’t fight as well as he talks AND. if I were him, I’d be checking up on my insurance policies… after this fight, he will be silenced and if he has a brain , he’ll retire and join DANCING WITH THE STARS.
Fury should get a stay busy fight. Haye may postpone again.Posted September 24, 2013 9:37 pm
Exiled Yank, rumor has it Faye is getting a face lift and nose job. Goal is to look like Kenny Rogers with a deep tan.Posted September 24, 2013 8:11 pm
And who the hell has Wilder beat to make you guys anoint him as the heir apparent? He’s been cherry picking weak opponents all his career. I was on his bandwagon years before you guys but fell off it once it became clear he’d continue pounding drunken bums for years on end. He’s got talent but is on standby until he proves he can beat top 20 opponents — which Fury has been doing for years already.Posted September 24, 2013 8:09 pm
That must be one heck of a cut to need four months to healPosted September 24, 2013 8:06 pm
“How is Fury cherry-picking when he signed to fight Haye maybe the second or third best guy in the div.?” – Answer: He’s not. The haters will claim any GD thing just because they’re irrational. Fact is Haye is Fury’s first top 5 ranked opponent, and it comes after he already beat Cunningham, Chisora and other top 20 guys. I challenge anyone to name one young up and coming heavyweight who has faced better comp than Fury.Posted September 24, 2013 8:05 pm
As much Wilder bashing that has occurred it is interesting that the pendulum is starting to turn the other way.Posted September 24, 2013 6:26 pm
He’ll cut his little toe.Posted September 24, 2013 6:25 pm
This fight won’t happen. Fury needs to move on.Posted September 24, 2013 6:18 pm
Why are people still trying to defend and make excuses for Faye? He is a bottler slash celebrity wannabe slash part time boxer whose only semi decent win in his whole heavyweight campaign isyhe one over chisora. I had fury over Faye all night longPosted September 24, 2013 6:16 pm
Interesting stuff, Tark. If your info is correct I’d say that wilder may very well be the heir apparent to the klitschkos.Posted September 24, 2013 5:43 pm
Wilder doesn’t have a glass chin and neither does Fury. They both take a good shot but Wilder hasn’t had to as a pro — except in sparring against Wladimir and Haye … and he took the punches very well. Both Wladimir and Haye called Wilder a tough sparring partner.
The difference is experience which Fury has… And raw punching power which Wilder has… Experience you can get — power you’re born with.Posted September 24, 2013 5:20 pm
I do think that the date is too far in the future but who knows what TV was offered venue etc. Those who say that he could have fought in a few weeks have no idea as a cut like that will take a long time to heal as for the sparring its pretty normal to spar a week up to the fight and who knows if it was light sparring or not, a lace or heel can cause a cut with even the smallest jab, why would Haye bottle it when in reality its a massive payday against a fighter he should demolish, if he is a ducker/ cherry picker surely this is the perfect fight?Posted September 24, 2013 5:07 pm
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)
Why the F does Haye need 4-5 long months for a small cut (5 stitches) to heal??? Dude thinks he gonna be a professional male model after boxing or something?
Sounds like he’s tying to put it off as long as possible to try and get Fury to fight — and hopefully lose — to someone else like Wilder or Pulev.Posted September 24, 2013 4:42 pm
hit and slip
How is Fury cherry-picking when he signed to fight Haye maybe the second or third best guy in the div.? Fury the youngest prospect in the division fighting one of the top guys and you call that cherry picking…cmon.Posted September 24, 2013 4:14 pm
February 8th??? Jesus Christ, when they said “reschedule” I thought they meant staying in training camp and having it next month. The promotion has been done, the tickets are sold, why do we have to wait over 4 months for the fight?? When Foreman sustained a cut sparring before the Ali fight, they both just stayed there in Africa and fought 2 weeks later.Posted September 24, 2013 4:11 pm
Thompson has offered to knock him out on one weeks notice. no way he takes that chance, big cherry picking fraud.Posted September 24, 2013 4:04 pm
RAY GORDEN REID
Bruce is a muppetPosted September 24, 2013 3:41 pm
A SIMPLE QUESTION,HOW MANY OF YOU FANS WILL STILL PAY TO WATCH THIS MUPPET HAYE.Posted September 24, 2013 3:35 pm
“F.A…It was a eastern euro guy not a big name…not one of his more famous guys in his camp.I forget his name…but no big name fighter.And yes was he pushing himself that hard so close to the fight…against a guy that was suppose to be so easy…maybe he didnt think it was going to be so easy???” – Thanks DWC, that’s interesting. PS: Not posting too fast ESB GTFO.Posted September 24, 2013 3:30 pm
david haye = GREEDY GARBAGEPosted September 24, 2013 3:30 pm
“WTF is up with sky turning down the wilder fight? If both men wanted to fight then they should have at it.” – It’s a high risk fight that would scuttle a bigger-money bout vs Haye if Fury doesn’t win. I do like that it appears Wilder is willing to go after big fights, at long last.Posted September 24, 2013 3:28 pm
A bit rich for Uncle Fury to talk about looking for the bigger money when Tyson is taking a fight he KNOWS he has virtually no chance of winning, just for a big payday!Posted September 24, 2013 3:25 pm
everybody knows adam booth cut haye haye is a cheap fraudPosted September 24, 2013 3:23 pm
Hayes not great but I think fury is poorPosted September 24, 2013 3:18 pm
RAY GORDON REID. ITS JUST JOEY,THE OTHER ANONMOUS IS PROBABLY A YANK.Posted September 24, 2013 3:12 pm
F.A…It was a eastern euro guy not a big name…not one of his more famous guys in his camp.I forget his name…but no big name fighter.And yes was he pushing himself that hard so close to the fight…against a guy that was suppose to be so easy…maybe he didnt think it was going to be so easy???Posted September 24, 2013 3:03 pm
WTF is up with sky turning down the wilder fight? If both men wanted to fight then they should have at it.Posted September 24, 2013 2:48 pm
NEARLY FIVE MONTHS BECAUSE A CUT EYE. MAN THIS PRICK HAYE IS BEYOND A JOKE.Posted September 24, 2013 2:30 pm
HAYE WILL ALWAYS BE A TOTAL FRAUD.Posted September 24, 2013 2:24 pm
WTF was Haye doing sparring full bore a week before their fight? Makes no sense unless his camp was going slow and he was trying to make up lost ground. Also who cut his eye? Inquiring minds wanna know.Posted September 24, 2013 2:10 pm
David”s toe falls off next time!!Posted September 24, 2013 2:01 pm
I think its funny the People who are so sure fragile a s s David Haye is just such a lock over Tyson Fury. Lets see if this fight goes off, I really doubt it at this point. Haye doesn’t really want this fight..Posted September 24, 2013 1:27 pm
Fury won’t have to worry about losing the Haye fight as Wlad won’t be upset.Posted September 24, 2013 1:16 pm
At least when haye knocks fury out he could be a comedianPosted September 24, 2013 1:11 pm
Ahh my toe my toe, help me.Posted September 24, 2013 1:08 pm
Mick the Marmalizer
Fury must stay active & take a fight before February. There’s lots of options. Tony Thompson said he’ll fight him at short notice & it doesn’t have to happen in the UK. Mick Hennessy has good connections in Canada, so why not ? David Price has to make a defence of the British/Commonwealth title or be stripped soon & then there’s new EBU champion Derreck Chisora. Other options could be a trip to Europe to take out some Euro trash!Posted September 24, 2013 1:01 pm