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TARK The REASON why MARQUEZ was ROB in his fights with PACMAN, is Because they wanted PACMANS record unblemished that way it would be “THE GREATEST FIGHT OF THE CENTURY FLOYD VERSUS PACMAN” But as you KNOW FLOYD king of hand pick fights said NOPEY NO. TO DANGEROUS must keep my 0.. Now that PACMAN is damage goods, hes NOTHING Look at the ROBBERY in the BRADLEY fight. PACMAN WON that fight. (I am NOT a PACMAN FAN) Marquez is NOW a different fighter (body strength) than when he fought cherrypicker. I think STERIODS myself.. Dont matter CANELO will KNOCK OUT CHERRYPICKER the COWARD that he isPosted August 11, 2013 7:25 pm
“Sorry but Floyd beat Mosley in more dominant fashion. Pac only knocked him down. He followed Mosley all around the ring because he doesn’t know how to cut the ring off”
Hahahahaha …..PAC only” knocked ” him down once and he was “only”chasing him be ause he dosent know how to cut the ring off ??? Lol really …so mayweather gets more credit for almost getting ktfo in the second round then PAC for putting down Mosley “only” once??lol…and mayweather is the best ring cutter right ? Lol …Posted August 9, 2013 7:36 pm
Te tumbo gagoPosted August 9, 2013 2:30 am
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Didnt think so you CHEATERS. And YOUR BIAS WRITERS your BIAS RING COMMONTATORS. Yous people are sickening. The TRUTH hurstsPosted August 8, 2013 7:02 pm
It’s another way of saying… “Mayweather is a better boxer than I am and uses the square footage the ring affords to great advantage.. That’s a smart way for Floyd to fight me because he’s taller and has a longer reach. He has the advantage for that reason. He deserves more money when we fight, and I acknowledge he is rightfully ranked higher P4P than I am.
Therefore when we fight he’ll probably kick my ass — but I still want a chance to beat him because it means tons of money for both of us and I might win despite all that because I punch really hard.”
Pacquiao is basically admitting he’s not in the power position anymore.Posted August 8, 2013 4:53 pm
“His style and my style if you look at it, he has an advantage because he always keeps running and not fighting”? if it wasn’t for his simple ignorance, you would have to admire Pacquiao* for his rhetorical ingenuity, i.e., the way he has of de nier ce qui est, et d’expliquer ce qui n’et pas . . .Posted August 8, 2013 10:47 am
“Petit vaurien de Don Quichotte qui lutte contre les moulins a vents”Posted August 8, 2013 8:32 am
What a coincidence!
“Le Monde assistera en direct a la deuxieme decapitation de l’escroc du siecle: Manny Pacquiao.”Posted August 8, 2013 7:27 am
“Hehehehehe.” You’re still an anal pore.Posted August 8, 2013 2:03 am
Sorry but Floyd beat Mosley in more dominant fashion. Pac only knocked him down. He followed Mosley all around the ring because he doesn’t know how to cut the ring offPosted August 8, 2013 1:58 am
Hehehehehe.Posted August 8, 2013 1:12 am
Crap, I was found out, damn!Posted August 8, 2013 1:11 am
Hidalgo, you just can’t keep your mouth shut.Posted August 7, 2013 11:47 pm
Mbuyiseli—-“Adrian are you talking about the same Mosley pre-Mayweather that Freddie Roach ducked? Didn’t Freddie say Shane was too good for Manny? When it was apparent that Mosley was bad he wasn’t too bad for Pacquaio to fight. What are you on about? Your bias is astounding, you can’t even see it. Perhaps you just choose to be ignorant.”
Lol ok so what are you saying PAC didnt know he was better then Mosley but when mayweather won against Mosley then he realized Mosley is “not good” ?
YoU just proved my point dude!!! Both mayweather and PAC beat Mosley PAC in a more dominant fashion but for you mayweather has to get the credit and PAC shouldn’t get a credit because ” fredy roach didn’t believe PAC would beat him ” ? ….see this is what I am saying ,typical !Posted August 7, 2013 10:31 pm
” MY bioengineering backgroumd will not be denied!”
Supreme Court, did you ever answer any of those questions posted by Bidz? I don’t think he ever posted the anwers to any of them.Posted August 7, 2013 9:59 pm
TJ, there is no such thing as “stealing” among ESB posters sharing their passion for our favorite sport. accordingly, knock yourself out . . . Peace.Posted August 7, 2013 6:12 pm
“Don’t even try to lay that “manadatory” or P4P crap on us, Correctamundo”-I DIDN’T. I laid the mandatory and P4P FACTS on you. No matter what Al Haymon or anyone else SAID, Guerrero was Floyd’s mandatory and he was Top 10 P4P.Posted August 7, 2013 5:07 pm
Shane was already shot when he faced Manny. Anything Freddie said during the pre fight are all just hype to make it look like Shane has a chance.Posted August 7, 2013 4:29 pm
Lol. Well boxing is one of the greatest sports to debate on. I can do it all day. The civil way is the only way to do itPosted August 7, 2013 3:09 pm
“Hidalgo yeah you schooled me to that rule.” We have both been schooled, Peej. At least you debate in a civil manner.Posted August 7, 2013 2:46 pm
Hidalgo yeah you schooled me to that rule. But you have learned something too and that it’s up to the refs discretion. It’s like when Pac hit Marquez when he was down. He should of been disqualified or points taken. The ref didn’t do that. We only complain about a rule or a rule being broken when it works against you. Not when it works for you.Posted August 7, 2013 2:42 pm
“Hildago Freddie did say that he told Shane he didn’t wan’t Manny to face Manny at anything above 142, and he also stated the reason for that was he was too good.”
Well, Tomato Can, when you put it in that context it makes more sense to me and seems more reasonable that Roach said that. So Roach was concerned about the combination of Shane’s size and skill, and he wanted the fight at catchweight in attempt to level the playing field for Manny. Got it. So the way you explained it does put a different slant on the issue rather than just saying “Freddie said Shane was too good.” Thanks.Posted August 7, 2013 2:32 pm
““Manny Pacquiao decides to simply fight on”
Junio, I found the article by Dwyre and I read it. Thanks. But, I still question the authenticity and credibility of Dwyre’s comments regarding what Freddie said. Where a bout with Mosley was concerned Freddie repeatedly stated his concerns about money and Mosley’s weight. And he said that live in video interviews. I’ve never heard him say live, that Shane was too good for Manny. I mean, Roach and Pacquiao badly wanted to fight Mayweather at the time so why would Roach say such a thing about Mosley when Floyd was king of the hill then? Floyd had beaten De la Hoya, Hatton, and Marquez. Mosley had beaten Mayorga and Margarito. Roach and Pac weren’t dying to fight Shane. They wanted Floyd.
But thanks for backing up your argument with credible proof. I just question what Dwyre wrote.Posted August 7, 2013 2:28 pm
“Floyd got Shane coming off the Margarito fight which some fans seem to forget. ”
True, Junio, and that’s when Shane was calling out Pacquiao and Freddy was saying yeah we’ll fight him but at a catchweight.Posted August 7, 2013 2:17 pm
Hildago Freddie did say that he told Shane he didn’t wan’t Manny to face Manny at anything above 142, and he also stated the reason for that was he was too good. I’m sure there’s still video’s of him saying that. This was prior to the Mosley/Mayweather fight.Posted August 7, 2013 1:38 pm
YOU’VE MADE SOME GOOD POINTS on your last few threads and what I like is you back up your arguments with either facts or considered reasons. Good on you!Posted August 7, 2013 1:24 pm
Fans just need to ease up on things. I fall into this as well. I am not immune to being a hypocrite.
It’s business. It’s nature. Always looking for angles to make sure you win.Posted August 7, 2013 12:40 pm
It is interesting how things came full circle:
Floyd was big on no catc-hweights. This was a guy that has been outweighed by fight-time by 10 pounds going back to the Corrales fight. Even when he moved up and fought Castillo, Castillo showed up at 147 1/2 while Floyd was 138 1/2. And then continued to move up in weight and be outweighed. And now all of a sudden he fights Canelo and they need to take off two pounds from him. Maybe 170 on fight-night is a bit to much and they want him to think a little about the weight during camp like Freddie liked to do with who he chose as an opponent.
Pac on the other hand was not willing to compensate on drug testing for a period of time. Then finally decided to take it but never actually took it on his own. And now, he is for it after the JMM fight.
Fighters are funny.
Life Lessons can be quite funny.
So let’s not act like either of these guys are immune to hypocrisy or life’s little lessons that help you alter or evolve your opinion.Posted August 7, 2013 12:38 pm
“Shane came to the gym twice to ask me to let him fight Manny,” Roach says. “I told him no both times, and both times for the same two reasons: First, there isn’t enough money there, and second, you’re too good a fighter.” ~Freddie Roach
There is a video where he talks about it from 97ruff.Posted August 7, 2013 12:28 pm
The interesting thing is that Freddie was/is confident with Manny in the Floyd fight and so was/is Manny.
Freddie however did think Floyd was on the decline and better below 147 which may be true to some degree but the fight with R.G. and the way Floyd fought seemed to change some opinions to some degree. His legs aren’t gone after all. However, watching tapes from him years back there is an obvious decline.
So nobody should give Floyd (or Pac) a pass for that fight being passed on. Sometimes the fight that may seem more obvious to some is the fight that is the upset fight.Posted August 7, 2013 12:18 pm
Shane had to wait in the corner until Floyd said lets fight. Floyd got Shane coming off the Margarito fight which some fans seem to forget.
Now does that make Shane Mosley the same Prime Shane Mosley who fought a Prime Oscar De La HOya at WW? NO. But he was coming off a big time performance.Posted August 7, 2013 12:13 pm
Interviews may still be on youtube with Freddie saying Shane is “Too good.”
Remember when a past prime Shane destroyed Margarito?
Pac however would have probably taken the fight no matter what but he’ll listen to his handlers for advice.
“Didn’t Freddie say Shane was too good for Manny?” Do you have a link to a video of Freddie saying that, or a link to a bonafide article in which Roach was quoted as saying that? I’ve never seen any proof that Freddie actually said that.
Shane was calling Manny out in 2009 after Manny beat Hatton. But Pacquiao had not yet fought as a welterweight. On at least two taped interviews, Roach said that Manny would fight Shane but Shane would have to agree to a catchweight–Roach talked personally with Shane on the phone. Shane said no so the fight didn’t happen. At that time Shane was stepping into the ring at around 160 lbs. That didn’t appeal too much to Roach or Pacquiao. So Roach wanted to level the playing field.
Search for a video on youtube.com titled: “Freddie Roach on Manny Pacquiao vs. Mayweather Jr. / Mosley. You’ll see that Freddie is all for Manny fighting Shane and that it would be a great fight–that was back in 2009 after Mosley beat Margarito.Posted August 7, 2013 11:52 am
Run Little Floyd. You are Number 1 at running.Posted August 7, 2013 11:45 am
“Ok so you posted the rule.Using the ropes to bounce off and punch. ”
I didn’t say that Peej. The rule says a boxer can’t bounce off the ropes or hold the ropes while punching. But now you’ve learned two things: That the rule exists and what the rule is.Posted August 7, 2013 11:13 am
“Mayweather…who was seeking a May opponent.” Oh, so there was no other mandatory until Robert Guerrero beat Berto? Right.Posted August 7, 2013 10:53 am
Guerrero being made a “mandatory” really had nothing to do with anything at all:
“Schaefer says he remembers that, immediately after Guerrero-Berto, he got a call from Al Haymon, the powerful adviser who works with Mayweather and Berto. Haymon had been unable to make it to the fight, and Schaefer says he recalls discussing with him on the phone that Guerrero’s performance warranted his being placed on the short list of opponents for Mayweather, who was seeking a May opponent.”
Promoter and money control boxing. A whole state stepped aside so Floyd Jr. could fight instead of go to jail when he was supposed. Don’t even try to lay that “manadatory” or P4P crap on us, Correctamundo.Posted August 7, 2013 10:52 am
Yeah Adrien tries to teist your words and history to try and prove his theories. It doesn’t work very well for him.Posted August 7, 2013 10:30 am
Mbuyi: Maar why are you wasting your time with this crack user Adrian? This user is from the Cape Flats smoking the Pagad menu all day.
The best boxer in the world is Floyd Mayweather and he will KO Canelo.Posted August 7, 2013 7:58 am
I think we can say the same about Roy Jones the clinic he put against Toney. That people don’t view it as a career defining fight. He made a HOF look like an amateur.Posted August 7, 2013 7:22 am
Adrian are you talking about the same Mosley pre-Mayweather that Freddie Roach ducked? Didn’t Freddie say Shane was too good for Manny? When it was apparent that Mosley was bad he wasn’t too bad for Pacquaio to fight. What are you on about? Your bias is astounding, you can’t even see it. Perhaps you just choose to be ignorant.Posted August 7, 2013 7:16 am
The fight against Mosley comes to mind …PAC dominated Mosley ,chased him dropped him once and won every round of the fight and wasn’t even challenged by Mosley because he just runn all night like I never saw him do before in his carrier and some haters were barking right away like …”PAC couldn’t ko past prime Mosley ” or …”the fight was boring ” ….
is it just me or is that n****r with the dopey voice on the video the biggest d***h**d on the planetPosted August 7, 2013 6:39 am
Adrian – At least Floyd nuthuggers are not moronic as Pacidiots who never wanted the test. As soon as their idol is KTFO they claim Marques is juicing. Hahahahhahah.Posted August 7, 2013 6:36 am
Floyd has already had a career defining fight. If you think Canelo is more dangerous than Corrales was, then you are on crack period. Tark please Matthysse will get raped by Floyd. Mayweather at 147lbs is the real deal. Has Lucas ever fought someone who is precise and consistent in that precision as Floyd? That fight would be easier than the Mosley fight. Quite frankly Floyd have no challenges left after Canelo. I don’t know how Showtime gave him a deal with nore than 3 fights.Posted August 7, 2013 6:30 am
Yeah when manny wins a UD by a wide margine for some fans who are saying below here “hit and don’t get hit praise for mayweather “they criticize PAC imidiatly by saying he didnt look impressive and is “sliping” because he couldn’t get a ko …so for them that strategy only would get praised when mayweather win “ala baldomir” fashion ..but not for PAC …Posted August 7, 2013 6:27 am
But the FACT is that Guerrero was #10 P4P when he stepped into the Ring with Floyd.Posted August 7, 2013 4:31 am
Guerrero was a mandatory Defense SO actually WHAT he was ranked and WHEN he was ranked it is irrelevant. Mandatory means Fight him or be stripped. Just as Froch is facing Groves because its a mandatory Defense or be stripped.Posted August 7, 2013 4:30 am
CORRECTAMUNDO, As a big Floyd fan myself i can tell you that your completely wrong. Guerrero wasnt even rated p4p untill AFTER the Mayweather/Guerrero fight was announced.Posted August 7, 2013 4:09 am
Nope. Floyd waits for CHAMPS or Top 10 P4P opponents. He then takes the Highest rated one available and SPANKS them. GOOD guess though.Posted August 7, 2013 4:05 am
where is boxtradomus? what does he say(lol)?Posted August 7, 2013 4:04 am
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Largo Floyd waits for fighters that arestarting to slip on their down side. Then he calls them out what a parisite. I hope Canelo knocks this phoney out. Watch your cherrypicker RUN all night like the COWARD he is. And you call that a GOAT. ha ha ha what a jokePosted August 7, 2013 3:44 am
I hope you don’t mind if I steal your term “Socked and Dropped?”
Brilliant! Love it!Posted August 7, 2013 3:01 am
Floyd announced himself on the scene way back in 1998 after 2 years in the pros when he dismantled the dangerous, avoided and P4P ANGEL MANFREDY in 2 rounds.
Manfredy b*tches about that loss to this day, but he was handed his L and was never the same again!Posted August 7, 2013 2:53 am
Corralles was a HOF win because Floyd did make it look so easy, which was not the source of suspense or intrigue going into this bout. “Chico” was supposed to put the fright of losing by KO into Mayweather’s psyche. It Worked. Mayweather detected the danger and proceeded to defuse the situation by overwhelming Diego with his own breakaway talent and skills. Corralles may have over or undertrained but they all do after they lose. Mayweather’s win over Hernandez was also impressive but his domination of Corralles confirmed that it was no fluke. Floyd could summon-up the breakaway talent and skills to dominate even bigger fighters with their breakaway talent and skills.Posted August 7, 2013 2:24 am
You also stated that its left up to the ref. and as the old saying goes if the ref don’t call a foul then it’s not a foulPosted August 7, 2013 2:03 am
Ok so you posted the rule. Using the ropes to bounce off and punch. You said Floyyd uses the ropes as defense. So he is not using them for leverage to throw with more power so there fore he is not breaking any rules.Posted August 7, 2013 1:41 am
Ghetto Thug-THANK you. Its hard work schooling DUMMIES. They don’t retain MUCH.Posted August 7, 2013 1:29 am
You won’t be missed.Posted August 7, 2013 1:22 am
You really are a punk, nameless.Posted August 7, 2013 1:13 am
You try too hard, please, for the love of god, go away. You, annoying twat.Posted August 7, 2013 1:12 am
Junio, no one is calling Willie Pep the GOAT.Posted August 7, 2013 1:11 am
“How many KO’s does Willie Pep have?”
No one is calling Willie Pep the GOAT.Posted August 7, 2013 1:10 am
And you are my farts, nameless.Posted August 7, 2013 1:09 am
Hidalgo, you’re full of beans.Posted August 7, 2013 1:07 am
But we know this though, he faced Mosley, Oscar & Cotto years later & he beat them all…you can say they were not primed but neither was Floyd; where is Tszyu? Naseem? Casamayor? Oscar? Cotto? Mosley? Roy? Freitas? Floyd outlasted them all & after all these years is the #1 P4P fighter in the world & the #1 draw in all of boxing. I understand why he gets so much hate…don’t you?Posted August 7, 2013 12:58 am
“Why is it illegal to lay on the ropes? I don’t think there is a rull that stipulates that laying on the ropes is illegal.”
Peej, let me correct myself: It depends on how the boxer uses the ropes. The WBA Referee Rules say this:
13. ATTACKING WHILE HOLDING UNTO THE ROPES OR USING THE ROPES TO BOUNCE FROM
Boxers are allowed to use the ropes to move themselves from side to side. However, using the ropes to bounce from or holding the ropes and hitting your opponent are clearly fouls that should be admonished.”
When a boxer leans back on the ropes then uses the tension in the ropes to push himself back up or forward–in other words, bouncing back and forth on the ropes–this is illegal.
Muhammad Ali illegally used the ropes in a number of his fights. He’d lean way back on them the let the ropes bring him back to and upright position. That’s bouncing and that’s illegal.
Although Floyd more often leans on the ropes so he can swivel his upper body from side to side in order to avoid his opponent’s punches, Floyd has also used the ropes to lean back on and then push him back upright. That is bouncing, bouncing is illegal. But like holding, it’s often not called by the Ref unless it’s really blatant and/or obviously being used to help a boxer gain an advantage over his opponent. But a ref still has the leeway to use his judgment to determine if a boxer is using the ropes illegally.Posted August 7, 2013 12:53 am
CORRECTAMUNDO, once more u are right, please keep schooling those imbecilesPosted August 7, 2013 12:53 am
Hidalgo needs to realize that Floyd is #1 P4P. SO IF he doesn’t have many KO’s then KO’s must not be a Big factor in determining who the BEST is. WINNING vs the BEST competition while not taking much damage is the factor.Posted August 7, 2013 12:50 am
No. If you can’t cut the ring off on Floyd, if you can’t land punches on Floyd that is not his fault. That is whomever he is fightings fault. Why is he always landing more punches than his opponent? Why does he cut his opponents punch out put in half? Sorry but you have to bring it and if you can’t that is not his fault. You have to be able to force him out of his comfort zone and nobody can do that.Posted August 7, 2013 12:14 am
How many KO’s does Willie Pep have?Posted August 7, 2013 12:12 am
“Floyd not having a defining fight is not his fault. Someone has to bring that to the ring.” Since no one is bringing it to the ring, why isn’t Floyd getting more KOs? Floyd doesn’t have the heart to get in battles anymore. He skirmishes, gets his purse. Goes home. Fights again 6 months to 1 1/2 years later. Floyd not having a defining fight is most certainly his fault. Floyd defines his own legacy. Not someone else.Posted August 7, 2013 12:02 am
I think people underestimate Rios defense. Yeah he does take a lot of punches but he also blocks a lot of punches with his gloves. Not saying he is a master at defense but he does block punches with his gloves. And the way he does it is when you hit his gloves he will slide it from in front of him which can make you fall forward just a bit.Posted August 6, 2013 11:50 pm
Largo, yes it was.Posted August 6, 2013 11:47 pm
Tomato can, the win against Hernandez was a tremendous win in my estimation also because I always saw Hernandez as a true master boxer & Floyd just toyed with him…Posted August 6, 2013 11:41 pm
I think Manny may be damaged goods, not because of his chin, but his back. He started having back problems a few fights ago and that affects your legs. That is why his foot movement has lost a step and that is all it took to walk into a KO. The only thing Manny has going for him is the fact chat Rios, like Paul Williams, has never seen a punch he didn’t want to eat. This guy just eats punches. Now he is very tough. But Manny throws straight punches. This could be a very vicious fight. One tough young guy and one past his prime guy who can’t miss, but can’t quite get out of the way like he use to. Could be very bad for both fighters.Posted August 6, 2013 11:40 pm
There fixed it…Posted August 6, 2013 11:35 pm
No, my Moniker keeps dropping off after posts on the PC, I’m using right now.Posted August 6, 2013 11:34 pm
you passedPosted August 6, 2013 11:28 pm
TestPosted August 6, 2013 11:26 pm
Man, they grilled Manny a little bit in that interview. I agree with Rios, the reason they picked him was they need another plodding fighter. Rios will need to use some D, and counter Manny hard on the inside, if he hopes to win.Posted August 6, 2013 11:20 pm
How is he ducking someone in his weight class when he fights at 160? Come on now. You are just trying to make things up to prove your theory and it is not working. Ok so you proved why Floyd shouldn’t fight him neither. On fight night Floyd comes in at 147. So he is a welter. Please stop trying to make things up. And you are making things up because fight night for Macklin he came in at 170. Please stop.Posted August 6, 2013 11:17 pm
Agreed. the Corrales fight was an impressive clinic win for Mayweather. But his wins against Heanandez and Manfredy impressed me as well. Manfredy was coming off of a series of good wins prior to the Mayweather fight. And Mayweather pretty much beat him the same way he did to Gatti, later on.Posted August 6, 2013 11:15 pm
Roy looked like a ghost going into the fight with Tarver in their first fight. Pac however I thought was looking good up until the KO. That bit surprised me because he didn’t go through Ariza’s conditioning program. And although his power didn’t seem to be quite there to peak levels, his legs and energy looked great.
Now has that KO taken effect? We’ll see. But he may have a better chance to bounce back because he wasn’t flirting with his body’s equilibrium like Roy did with stripping muscle-weight off fast and at his age.
The mental part, Pac has the edge as well. He has been knocked out twice before and like he said, he bounced back from those. Yes, he was younger but mentally, Pac is extremely tough except when it comes to fighting.
We’ll see though. No telling the effects of a concussion.Posted August 6, 2013 11:15 pm
One thing about “Older” fighters is that you never know how they will react anymore. At one time they can be hurt, down, almost taken out, but get back up and fight on. And then many years later, for one reason or the other, they are no longer the same deep down and just can’t energize the soul to fight to the end.
So although we’ve seen Floyd battle back against Corley and even Mosley, who knows with each day that passes.
A lot of Older fighters aren’t Archie Moore throughout. Many tend to fold.
Now that is an interesting thing to stick around for.Posted August 6, 2013 11:09 pm
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)
“Also in all his fights he comes in about 159 and he has also come in at 161. How does he come in light when he is a pound or pound in a half from the limit of 160? So your argument is false… So sorry but I just put a couple of holes in your theory there.”
Actually, if you had better reading comprehension skills you would’ve noticed that I was talking about 3G’s weight on Fight Night — NOT at the weigh-ins. So, NO you didn’t poke any holes in my theory, you’re trying to protect FMJ and his reputation like he’s your own brother because YOU KNOW he would get DESTROYED and KFTO by 3G at 154lbs.
3G has said it’s his DREAM to fight FMJ and he easily make weight at 154lbs. So that means that if FMJ refuses to fight him, if he gets past Canelo, he’s ducking the very best at his weight-class — just like he ducked little PacMan for three years. Real talk.Posted August 6, 2013 11:08 pm
I think Pacquiao is a better defender than Roy… But he is fighting a very dangerous opponent. More so than Glen Johnson.
The ages are similar… Pac is 34, Roy was 35… But Roy went back in a lot quicker… and of course he was up at 10 vs Tarver but his legs were gone.. Nady waved the fight off.. Pac was seeing tweety birds for 10 minutes.
Interesting thought Largo… A devastating KO makes you vulnerable for a repeat.Posted August 6, 2013 11:06 pm
“Floyd had his way v. Corralles but no other fighter below welter ever did. IMO, that’s a win you can’t diminish.”.” I was about to say something in the same line but that pretty much it…I always thought that was a HOF win for Floyd.Posted August 6, 2013 11:03 pm
Actually Rios was supposed to side with his fellow Top Rank Fighter but he couldn’t deny the TRUTH. I’m sure that someone in Top Rank scolded him on that.Posted August 6, 2013 11:01 pm
GOOD point. Rios is neutral and he says Floyd is BETTER than Pacquiao. I’ve not heard one Boxer or Trainer say that Pacquiao is BETTER than Mayweather. …only fans.Posted August 6, 2013 11:00 pm
Pro Fighters and Trainers respect Floyd. That’s what these athletes crave the most: Respect from their PEERS.
For some weird reason, I’ve been having these thoughts about Roy being iced by Tarver & then again by the dogged, hard hitting Glen Johnson while reading about Pac fighting the dogged, hard hitting Rios after being iced by Marquez…Posted August 6, 2013 10:54 pm
reajjy the only person canelo fought that was worth something was trout and that fight could have gone either way but after that was shot fighters and they was all small guys that had a lot of L’s on there record so he not all thatPosted August 6, 2013 10:48 pm
I feel canelo dycking all those guys at 160 because he walk around at 170 to 171 and fighting guys 20-30 lb lighter than him but even so Floyd is going to wear him down later canelo wont beat GGG that’s why he fight small guysPosted August 6, 2013 10:34 pm
Floyd will have Canelo and Matthysse to fight… They throw a lot harder than anyone Floyd has fought so far and with less effort. So I’m just interested in seeing if they land something big on Floyd what the consequence will be.
If Floyd gets dropped near the end of a round what will his corner be saying between rounds. If he get caught near the beginning of a round what will his posture be? Will he charge in or rubbery legs like he did with Mosley? He doesn’t like to run when he gets hurt. If he gets dropped trading, while he’s hurt, what will he do if he drags himself to his feet and the referee lets it continue?
These are all issues Duran faced… Leonard faced… Hearns faced… Robinson faced… Mosley faced… Pacquiao faced… Holmes faced… Ali faced… Frazier faced… Foreman faced… Wladimir faced… Tunney faced… Pep faced… and Floyd is one of the few ATG’s who’s never been put in a super tough position… and with the caliber of the guys he’s going to be fighting in the next 2 years — you know this can happen.Posted August 6, 2013 10:29 pm
Also in all his fights he comes in about 159 and he has also come in at 161. How does he come in light when he is a pound or pound in a half from the limit of 160? So your argument is false. Chad Dawson said he could make 168 but after the fight everybody says he was weight drained. So sorry but I just put a couple of holes in your theory there.Posted August 6, 2013 10:21 pm
Why did he fight Ishida at 160 and Rosado at 160 when both of them are clearly 154lb fighters?Posted August 6, 2013 10:16 pm
Well your gonna keep hearing it everytime you say that. You are claiming someone can make 154 who has never in his pro career weighed in at 154. He may be coming in the lightest he can. Like I have said many times, there is more money at 154 than there is at 160 so why wouldn’t he make 154?Posted August 6, 2013 10:15 pm
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)
You keep repeating that B.S. line like a broken record, PEEJ, and I’m getting real sick of hearing it. I’ve already explained to that 3G walks into the ring on Fight Nights weighing less than the top Jr. MWs.
He’s not a big MW and can easily make weight at 154lbs. Why else would TEAM GGG be begging for Championship-level fights at 154lbs for the past two years??? If Canelo beats FMJ, 3G will want Canelo at 154lbs. That’s how boxing works and you should know that by now.
If Floyd gets past Canelo and refuses to VACATE, he better be prepared to defend ALL his 154lbs titles against the very best in the world. And that means fighting 3G and Lara at 154lbs. It also means fighting the winner of Matthysse vs. Garica and PacMan. That exactly what the REAL GOAT would do. Anything less will be a MAJOR disappointment to the boxing public and will permanently tarnish Floyd’s legacy.Posted August 6, 2013 10:13 pm
Punkcquiao is doing what he always does, climbing on Floyd´s name to keep relevant, he wants the people to forget about his ass pointing upwards and his flat face kissing the canvas.Posted August 6, 2013 10:04 pm
Can’t duck GGG he is at 160 and Floyd isn’t gonna fight at 160. GGG has never made 154 in his pro career so nobody is even sure that he can make itPosted August 6, 2013 10:01 pm
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)
The only way Floyd retires undefeated is if he squeaks by Canelo, ducks the winner of Matthysse vs. Garcia, ducks 3G at 154lbs, keeps ducking PacMan, and/or gets a couple more gift-wrapped decisions along the way.
Just like FMJ received a gift-wrapped decision when he lost to Castillo in their first fight.
His real record is 43-1 and should be 43-2 or 43-3 when he finally retires. But the cherry-picking chess master of over-hyped promotions will continue to duck the best, prime competition out there — especially after he either loses or damn nearly loses to Canelo. A prime ODLH would’ve also beat Lil’ Floyd. Real talk.Posted August 6, 2013 9:58 pm
Manny will destroy Rios with a variety of technical skills. Manny has brilliant defense when he wants to use them, but his elusive, lightning strikes against clean fighters cannot be stopped. Every punch Manny throws has KO written all over it. He gives fight fans what they want. He fears no man, only God. The cobra quickness and the sharp piston type feints have his opponents stumbling/ No wonder Floyd didn’t want any part of Manny Pacquiao. Brandon Rios is tough, he can punch, and he’s hungry. Unfortunately, he’s mistakenly taking Manny loss as an easy opportunity like the vultures do to wounded prey. Brandon will underestimate the greatest fighter to have ever lived, and fall right into one of those torpedo left hands. A sleeping giant has now been woken up. Manny will show everyone why he is a living legend and P4P the best ever. Manny Pacquiao knocks out Brandon Rios before 6 rounds.Posted August 6, 2013 9:49 pm
Te Tumbo my friend, I will be here for a long time to come. Manny Pacquiao will destroy the tough Brandon Rios in stunning fashion.Posted August 6, 2013 9:41 pm
What I’m saying is Diego Corrales was an easy fight for Floyd… He seemed slow, weak, unskilled, and very easy to hit.. He kept getting dropped and he looked like a wilty weed in there.. Maybe he was weight drained, but he didn’t look ready for a major unificaation fight.
Judah, De La Hoya, Mosley, and Cotto gave Floyd better efforts. They punched Floyd, finished on their feet … and never visited the canvas.
Just the same… Some of the guys Floyd will fight in the next couple years would hammer the above toughest opponents into the canvas with rounds to spare… So these guys will definitely be his legacy fights coming up.Posted August 6, 2013 9:39 pm
Floyd is going to retire undefeated. You heard it hear first ya digPosted August 6, 2013 9:27 pm
I guess we will know the answer to that question when Mayweather faces Saul Alvarez. Willhe run like Pacquioa stated or will he stay in the pocket like Rios describes him. Come Sept 14 we shall know….runner? Or warrior?Posted August 6, 2013 9:20 pm
To be a defensive wizard in boxing is a boxer’s goal and priority then boxing is long forgotten and dead.Posted August 6, 2013 8:57 pm
i predict that we won’t be reading any more of HecDog’s posts after November 23rd. he’ll simply dissapear like every other former Pacquiao* fan NOT fight-fan.Posted August 6, 2013 8:43 pm
I for one am grateful that HecDog is sharing his guarantee of what we can expect Manny* to deliver v. Rios: a fight between two fighters who believe their fighting ability is better than their opponents; no lack of courage, bravery or fear of losing; a fight-fan’s money’s-worth; not hitting, holding, hugging and darting or running away; Mexican-caliber “machismo”; no lack of confidence by refusing to engage. After all, if Manny refuses to stand toe to toe v. Rios, he will be perceived by many fans as a “scared fighter” that doesn’t believe in himself. you can hardly blame Pacquiao*. after all, he was FLATTENED in the #1 KO in Boxing History but as long as he hasn’t transformed into a cowardly fighter, Rios should have no problem finding a FIGHT v. Pacquiao* . . . Rios by KO victory.Posted August 6, 2013 8:40 pm
Floyd had his way v. Corralles but no other fighter below welter ever did. IMO, that’s a win you can’t diminish. particularly considering expectations going into that bout, which included the undefeated Diego testing Floyd’s chin and jaw. in fact, “Chico’s” entire demeanor during the opening rounds was one of almost contemptuous confidence in his ability to steamroll what many presumed was a talented but vulnerable Mayweather. however, he found out what every other Mayweather opponent has discovered: you can’t pressure Mayweather without being Socked and Dropped. you also can’t outbox Mayweather without being severely outclassed. there are no Marlon Starlings, Leonards, or Hearns to test Mayweather. there is only Floyd and no better at welter.Posted August 6, 2013 8:32 pm
Papo my friend, defense is part of the sport of boxing, but fans come to see a fight. Boxing is a fight between two people that believe their fighting ability is better than their opponents. If Floyd was more of a fighter and took challenges, we would never be doubting his fighting ability. I think it’s more his lack of courage, bravery and his fear of losing that makes him fight the way he does. Fans that walk out of his fights like they did in his last fight don’t pay good money to see a guy hit, hold, hug and run or move away. This is a sport where it’s one on one. Machismo is what they call it in some places. Mayweather shows a lack of confidence when he refuses to engage. When a fighter doesn’t want to stand toe to toe once in awhile, it’s perceived by many fans as a scared fighter that doesn’t believe in himself. Sure you can say Floyd is faster, great defense and all that stuff, which he is, but fans don’t come to see defense, they come to see fighters fight. Boxing fans love Manny Pacquiao why? Because he fights everyone and all weights because he believes he can beat them regardless of the weight or style. People respect him. He may not win them all, but in the hearts of fans, he has already won them over. It’s like playing Professional Flag Football as opposed to Professional Tackle Football. Who would the fans pay to see? I know it’s Floyd’s style, but it’s not a fan friendly style. Floyd talks a better fight than he fights. He shouldn’t talk all he does without standing in front of a man and fighting him once in a great while. This is the fight game. No one will ever remember Floyd as being a great fighter. They will remember him for being a great athlete that was way too defensive and never wanted to take chances. Yes he makes money and has all the materials he wants, but he will never get what he really wants, and that’s respect from the fans, and the true great fighters. All Floyd has to do is fight a little and his perception may change. He needs to do that and change his egotistical, greedy, I own the world attitude and learn to be humble, appreciative and respectful to everyone, and not just for the cameras.Posted August 6, 2013 8:24 pm
Diego Corrales was George Foreman all right… Especially if you’re referring to his defense… Floyd hit him with about everything he threw… The only easier to hit guy Floyd ever fought was Gatti… Even Hatton wasn’t as easy to blast.Posted August 6, 2013 8:18 pm
Why is it illegal to lay on the ropes? I don’t think there is a rule that stipulates that laying on the ropes is illegal.Posted August 6, 2013 8:15 pm
Why is it illegal to lay on the ropes? I don’t think there is a rull that stipulates that laying on the ropes is illegal.Posted August 6, 2013 8:15 pm
“When Manny says Floyd runs, he’s merely trying to point out that he does not want to engage. He wants no part of a toe to toe fight. He moves away. He’s too defensive”. HECDOG, i join you in looking forward to Pacquiao* showing Mayweather how it’s done by eagerly engaging Rios in a toe-to-toe fight; not constantly hop or run away in fear; or become too defensive. IF Pacquiao* is a truly great Fighter, he will stand and Fight. fortunately, Pacquiao* is a mediocre boxer and won’t be able to outBox Rios who is a talented and willing brawler. IMO, a bigger and stronger Rios will impose his will on Pacquiao* and grant all of us our wish to watch a great Fight between great Fighters not a cat-and-mouse game between one willing Fighter and one shell-shocked hype-job who suddenly gets flashbacks of having his lights put completely OUT.Posted August 6, 2013 8:13 pm
Hecdog…. Boxers have different skills dawg… Some are toe-to-toe brawler… some use the square footage the ring affords… Some are long range bombers… some are crafty boxers… some are good movers and pot-shot artists.
It takes all kinds and all styles to make a world dude.. Right now Floyd is on top of this world.. Admit it.. Floyd is King of the Ring at this hour because he hits without getting hit.
Pacquiao was sent to snoozeville and has to redeem himself to even qualify for a Floyd fight… I was on a cruise when Marquez iced Pacquiao.. The guy next to me said, “Goodnight! He’s out for the evening. Let the poor man sleep.”
That was the 2nd knockdown shot Pacquiao took that night … and he jumped right into the apex of the stroke.Posted August 6, 2013 8:12 pm
you’re full of beans.Posted August 6, 2013 7:53 pm
“He’s no sweet pea… he lays on the rope.” Mayweather does lay on the ropes. That’s illegal. Well, it’s supposed to be.Posted August 6, 2013 7:35 pm
BTW, I’ve noticed this change in Manny’s face and facial expressions in several recent photos of him and also in a recent video. Who knows. Maybe I’m looking for something that isn’t there–like the fire inside, that he always used to have.Posted August 6, 2013 7:34 pm
Look at Manny’s eyes and face in that photo. He just looks “soft.” He doesn’t have that same fire in his eyes or sharpness to his smile that he did just a couple of years ago. I wouldn’t be surprised if he is suffering from the onset of Parkinson’s Disease as at least one Filipino physician has already claimed. I think Marquez did some permanent damage to Manny.Posted August 6, 2013 7:33 pm
Floyd is like a girl who asks for HIV test before the date.Posted August 6, 2013 7:28 pm
Two years ago this would have a 1000000 comments not only 30 lol sad what Arum dose to boxing!Posted August 6, 2013 7:11 pm
Disagree. At the time Floyd for Diego Corrales, Corrales was like the Super Featherweight version of George Foreman. Diego was a big boy down in those divisions as well. He weighed 146 pounds in that fight compared to Floyd’s 136.Posted August 6, 2013 6:07 pm
E in Denver
Too Smooth- “Since the inception of compubox, Mayweather has the best punch landed to being punched ratio, that includes both sweet Pea and Toney.” Toney & Whitaker are in the 400 Club. Pea is in their three times & Toney is in their 4 times. This shows how both these guys had a high volume & accurate offense to go with their defense. Jr is top 5 in the least punches thrown stat of all active fighters. Rigondeaux is lowest in terms of punches connected on active fighters. Does Rigo have a better defense than Jr? Maybe, more likely this is based on Rigo having less pro fights, less rounds. The numbers can be skewed. Numbers don’t lie but they only tell part of the story. No matter the numbers no honest fight fan disputes Jr is a defensive master.Posted August 6, 2013 6:06 pm
Now is Manny’s style more fan friendly, especially to the “casual” viewer?
KO artist risk more than the pure boxer. So something should be said about those that are willing to engage in such risky behavior in order to KO his opponent in dramatic fashion.
It’s also why I don’t get or like when fans laugh at someone getting knocked out. Especially that someone being Manny who goes out there and risks it all for the KO for the fans. seriously, at least he had the balls to do it.
Hecdog stated that “Throughout boxing history, fighters fight, they don’t move away in fear of getting hit. Getting hit is part of the sport”. Are you for real? Would you imagine a trainer telling his fighter to forget about defense and to just go out there without worrying about getting hit? That’ll be stupid.
Defense is what makes a boxer’s career last. It’s also the difference between an ex-fighter who can still function in society and one that can hardly utter a word. You may be right about Pac comments perhaps taken out of content, but getting hit or not moving away to prevent getting hit makes it for a short career or even a short lifespan.Posted August 6, 2013 6:01 pm
Floyd hasn’t had career defining Super Fights because he never fought ATG Super Prime Fighters until now… His next 5 fights will be career defining Super Fights — starting with Canelo and Matthysse. They can hit.
One thing you know — Floyd got hit real good by Judah, Mosley, and Cotto.. Judah dropped Floyd momentarily, but his chin seemed solid.
When Canelo and Matthysse hit Floyd will his chin hold up??? Does he have a Tommy Hearns or Roger Mayweather type chin??? Or does he have a Brandon Rios or JC Chavez Jr type chin??? That’s what career defining fights are about in some minds. Whether or not you can weather the storm when a great puncher rips you.. Tim Bradley handled it when Provodnikov hit him — but there’s nobody who wouldn’t want to see a rematch of that one.Posted August 6, 2013 6:00 pm
By the way, he beat Ricky Hatton at his own game. And that was a fight I called right on the money to my friends on how Floyd will most likely fight Hatton. I just went off a hunch. Floyd was going to bully the bully. He used Hatton’s tactics against him. The funny part was seeing some fans complain about the tactics Floyd used despite those tactics being Hatton’s own. something Ricky picked up for the Tszyu fight.Posted August 6, 2013 5:57 pm
SRR, Ali, and Jones aren’t known for the technical defense at all. They relied on their athleticism and natural and trained instincts. Floyd however is known for both. And despite his age, despite his decline compared to his 20’s where he was incredibly fast overall, he still manages to get hit less than others cleanly even when in the pocket.
You need to watch more of his fights. Especially below 147. he can stand in the pocket and unload all while deflecting your shots.
Now what Floyd has shown comparable to Ali and SRR is the “fight” that they had but for Floyd, he needs to be hurt first. First time I remember seeing that was in the Corley fight. He weathered the storm and then went on the attack. I thought this was dangerous but he managed to just take it and sway things back in his favor but halting Corley’s KO assault.Posted August 6, 2013 5:52 pm
manny will beat rios but after round 5.Posted August 6, 2013 5:39 pm
Manny Pacquiao always has his words taken out of context or not translated correctly. If you hear his translation in his natural language, no one has any trouble understanding what he means. Manny speaks English, but still not well. When Manny says Floyd runs, he’s merely trying to point out that he does not want to engage. He wants no part of a toe to toe fight. He moves away. He’s too defensive. Throughout boxing history, fighters fight, they don’t move away in fear of getting hit. Getting hit is part of the sport. Some a little more than others, but Floyd does it every single fight. He can’t fight inside better than Miguel Cotto, which was proven in the fight. Castillo proved that also. De La Hoya was hitting him with every jab he threw and was on him. Had that fight been 5 yrs earlier, Floyd would have lost. Mayweather as I have mentioned isn’t a Roy Jones, Ray Robinson, Sugar Ray Leonard, Muhammad Ali. These guys were great defensive boxers, but they were also great fighters. They tested themselves in all areas of boxing, not just defense. Pernell Whitaker was brilliant when he fought Julio Cesar Chavez in his prime. He fought and used his defensive wizardry like no other. Sweet Pea was a fighter with great defense. Floyd Mayweather is all defense and athleticism, but not a true complete fighter. Sure he’s going to move, hug, hold and run away alot in fear of not getting hit, but just because he out points his opponents and wins doesn’t mean he’s great. His list of opponents wouldn’t have made it in many other eras. They are either old, too small or not skilled enough. The greats take on other great fighters and find a way to win. They put themselves out there. Floyd is smart in a sense because he’s only about the money and not getting hit. He knows that he can’t beat others at their own game. Defensive fighters like Floyd are never regarded as great. Fans don’t ever remember their fights because they are mostly boring or dull. You will only remember great fighters for their great fights. I don’t think anyone can actually recall any of Floyd’s great fights because they never created any real excitement for a boxing fan. Relying on defense all of your career speaks volumes about your fear in the boxing ring especially a fighter like Floyd that fights 90% defense and is happy by winning a cat and mouse game. Fighters fight.Posted August 6, 2013 5:35 pm
The objective in BOXING is to hit and not get hit. It’s very simple to understand but difficult to do. Those fighters who lead with their faces tend to have very short careers. It may be boring to some, but that’s what boxing is; it isn’t a street fight.
Mosely still has decent speed and a solid punch. He may never again become a champion, but he’s still a very solid fighter.Posted August 6, 2013 5:21 pm
Thinking about it Manny was looking good against Marquez till the ko of course but if anyone is having a bad patch it would be Freddie roach! Manny is still good but guess the slip downwards has started to begin but Rios fight will tell usPosted August 6, 2013 5:10 pm
When you think defensive wizards, Wilfred Benitez stands out along with Pernell and now, of course, FMJ.Posted August 6, 2013 4:34 pm
TJ – hats off to you. Excellent post and I couldn’t agree more. Perhaps some of these fans would prefer the fighters to have their boots glued to the canvas so they just stand and trade until once person collapses? We all love a highlight reel KO but long term damage in the ring is no laughing matter. We all talk about Ali as the hero he was and still is today but even the greatest wasn’t immune to long term damage. I do t want to see any modern day fighters suffer like that.Posted August 6, 2013 4:32 pm
Pointless article. All you’re doing is restating everything that was said in the ESPN interview that’s right here on ESB.Posted August 6, 2013 3:27 pm
@Boxec~ You’re right he’s no Sweet Pea or Toney, he’s better. Since the inception of compubox, Mayweather has the best punch landed to being punched ratio, that includes both sweet Pea and Toney. You sure know your stuff and thanks for pointing out FM’s greatness by comparing him to other greats like Toney and Sweet Pea.Posted August 6, 2013 2:57 pm
RAY GORDON REID
manny PACQUIAOPosted August 6, 2013 2:54 pm
Mayweather vs. Corrales was a “Defining Fight.” It’s just that it wasn’t competitive. but it was brilliant.Posted August 6, 2013 2:53 pm
@Mr Gav~ When you say Manny isn’t the same, do you mean after the Marquez fight or in general? Because the question is, is Manny the same after the Marquez KO. there is no way you know he’s not the same after that fight because he hasn’t fought since then. I will agree he hasn’t looked the same in his last couple of fights. FM is not a runner. He always lands more punches than the other guy. I can’t recall a fight were an opponent has out landed FM. The only fight I can think of were a fighter landed more punches in a round was ODH. SSM is done as fried chicken. His ass should have never ventured into 154. He never had a good outing at that weight. He should have ended his career after the Margarito fight and end his career on a very high note. I saw that fight live and the majority of the crowd supported Mosely, even booed him. Such a lack of respect for a great fighter from the area. I was glad he not only won that fight but did it in such a brutal manner. That is the last memory of Mosely in the ring we should have.Posted August 6, 2013 2:50 pm
Or perhaps the “running” term pertains to the selection of his opponents.Posted August 6, 2013 2:45 pm
Running could also be a strategy. In the case of Floyd vs Oscar, Oscar didn’t know how to cutoff the ring so Floyd had him follow him while he pot shots.Posted August 6, 2013 2:44 pm
CAN SOME ONE PLEASE TELL ME THE LAST TIME MAYWEATHER WAS IN SO CALLED GREAT FIGHT LIKE LEGENDS OF THE PAST.Posted August 6, 2013 2:39 pm
Floyd not having a defining fight is not his fault. Someone has to bring that to the ring. Unfortunately a lot of fighters talk a good game but being in the ring with Floyd is a whole mother story. That’s why you see guys who average 70 punches a round get cut down to 40Posted August 6, 2013 2:39 pm
Mosley over the hill can only beat bums but good enough not to get koed. Manny is not the same but still dangerous this fight will answer questions so good match up. Floyd will do his thing but will avoid a straight toe to toe with sol winning wide points win.Posted August 6, 2013 2:24 pm
No one would disagree with that however, most take issue with the fact that as good as floyd is he has NEVER EVER had a defining fight in his career with an opponent in terms of recognition, skills and all the intangibles that go along with it. The closest he got was with DLH…however, as anyone knows, DLH was not exactly a spring chicken at the time they fought so much so…he was actually past his prime. So…that just about sums it up in a nut shell. No one can use the excuse that it’s not floyd’s fault because along his career there have been plenty of opportunities to have fought outstanding fighters but floyd always selected the path of least resistance.Posted August 6, 2013 2:20 pm
de Lima I.
FMJ simply has the best defense in boxing the world has ever seen !Posted August 6, 2013 2:07 pm
Pacquiao uses his quick feet to his advantage as well… In the 1st round of the Hatton fight he zoomed out of range in slick nimble fashion on amazing dancing feet.. He outlanded Hatton 38 to 5 that round. Hatton was missing so much he attacked towards the end of the round and almost ended the fight in the 1st.
I haven’t seen those springy legs lately but I’m sure Pac will have them back for this fight. He’ll do all those “quick feet” drills.
Pacquiao will “run” against Rios. It’s a no brainer strategy. Box Rios… jab him… catch him coming in and rip him with flurries… use the square footage the ring affords… out maneuver Rios at every turn… basically do a Floyd on him.
Rios would like to think Floyd fights “in-the-pocket” but he’s kidding himself if he dreams Floyd would fight him that way… Even Mike Alvarado got a clue after one experience with Rios.Posted August 6, 2013 2:06 pm
ALOT OF GREAT BOXERS WHO OPERATE from the outside need space to get their punches off. If they meet a brawler or pressure fighter of course to the uniniciated it will look like they are running as they may have to backpeddle or move side-to-side to maintain the distance, as they create space for themselves to get their punches off…
NOW, if they are doing this and still throwing and landing punches HOW can this be considered to be running????
Running is what KHAN did when MAIDANA pasted his chops… Running is what Khan did at times when PETERSON denied him time and space…
The only time Floyd could be accused of running is when CASTILLO chased him round the ring at times, but eeven then he didn’t run, but was forced back by CASTILLO’S gallant, but ultimately not good enough attempt to pin him down.
Floyd was still landing the opoint scoring punches…
Ricky Hatton tried to bully Floyd in the way Castillo did, but Floyd learned from Castillo and either tied Ricky up or hit him up on the inside or caught him time and again as he tried to rush him!
There is nothing in the rule book that says a boxer can’t use the entire area of the ring to carry out the task of boxing, so long as he doesn’t stick his head out the ropes!
Muhammas Ali regularly glided round the ring whilst smashing his jab or right hand into some one’s face…. Are we calling him a runner also?
I don’t think so…
It makes me laugh…. These guys who fight with their face need to go and learn their craft instead of bleating about a boxer being a runner when you look at how beat up they are risking pugilistic dementia and all sorts of other ailments just to please the fans who in reality couldn’t give a hoot about them once they retire!Posted August 6, 2013 1:56 pm
He’s no sweet pea… he lays on the rope. He’s no James no Toney on the ropes either.Posted August 6, 2013 1:52 pm
In my opinion mayweather does duck certain opponents, but he doesn’t run in the ring he’s just a master at his craft, boxing is about hitting not getting hit!Posted August 6, 2013 1:44 pm