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Grove is underrated in my opinion. He has KO Power with decent boxing skills and a good chin. All of these combination makes him a very dangerous box. I think we will see a huge upset on the night!

Posted July 26, 2013 7:16 am 


Whilst I appreciate the you going to the trouble of a google search to prove your point, I have never found punch stats to be (1) very accurate and (2) a solid indicator of score. If you can honestly say you do then we’ll have to agree to disagree.
Also, that Groves did win the first few rounds fairly clearly skews the overall punch stats.
I maintain that De Gale should have gotten the decision in a close fight, Groves was no way landing 20%.

Posted July 25, 2013 10:26 am 


@ Fight Aficionado don’t even try and be condescending, nothing you have ever posted here suggests you are can offer insight beyond what you read in those UK tabloids you reference.
I watched the fight rooting for Groves, and saw De Gale lose a close fight he deserved to win. Nobody really complained as no one wanted De Gale to win and it was close enough to not be an outright robbery.
Groves’ twitchy pot shots rarely landed, while De Gale forced the fight and out landed and outworked Groves who fought off the back foot without countering effectively.

Posted July 25, 2013 8:54 am 


Mick thats a dream situation mate, those 2 fights on a card would be a blockbuster event. The IBF dont mess around though

Posted July 25, 2013 5:53 am 


Mick I agree mate, Bika was made for Groves, not sure the Cobra is lol

Posted July 25, 2013 5:46 am 

Mick the Marmalizer

If Hearn had had his head screwed on he’d have made Froch VS Steiglitz + Bika/Groves on a multi header, which I’m sure both Carl & George would win thus lining up a mega UK unification next Summer.

Posted July 25, 2013 4:57 am 


Frochy, I am also leaning towards a Froch brutalisation of Groves, but one can never discount the unseen powers of the gingers.

Rumour has it Groves has had Paul Scholes in camp helping him find his inner ginge.

That kind of brotherhood of the firepubes can be priceless.

Posted July 25, 2013 3:33 am 

Pat Mustard

I would have preferred to see Froch unify against Bika or Stieglitz, I get the impression that Froch isn’t too happy about facing Groves either and it wouldn’t surprise me if Froch wasn’t too pleased with Eddie Hearns. It could be hard for Froch to get up for this fight as it is one of those fights where he doesn’t really have anything to gain but a lot to lose.

Posted July 25, 2013 3:30 am 


I’m sorry but anybody thinking Groves is beating Froch is crazy. Groves face is going to be a mess when he gets counted out before the end of the 6th round. Froch put the southern softie down in sparring, this will be in Groves mind when he enters the ring on fight night. He’s already beaten. Easy nights work for the Cobra.

Posted July 25, 2013 2:42 am 

Mick the Marmalizer

c.morgan: Agreed wise words regarding the cut situation. I’m looking at cut stoppage by round 7.

Posted July 25, 2013 2:41 am 


Sure this is too early for Groves no doubt about it but Froch is 36 and the opportunity for Groves wont be around for a huge domestic showdown should he not take the fight now.

Groves will get a multi million dollar payday for this even with a 40% cut, much more than he can make against any other opponent right now, his name isn’t big enough to get Andre Ward so taking this is pretty smart.

I can’t call the fight, with Groves fragile skin this might turn into a bloodbath early and get stopped on cuts.

Posted July 25, 2013 12:03 am 

Mick the Marmalizer

Groves beat DeFail hands down. What a shame his management let him down & he never won the Lonsdale belt out-right + the EBU title. I’m a massive admirer of George, but as I said before believe this is a call too soon. He’ll end up with a 40% financial split for this, while if he’d fought Bika 1st & won the WBC title then it would have been 50%.

Posted July 24, 2013 6:31 pm 



Posted July 24, 2013 5:24 pm 


id bet Groves is KO’d in rd 7

Posted July 24, 2013 4:10 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Gonzo the Unbannable I figure Groves 2/1 underdog. Anything more is a value bet. He’s slick enough that’s a reasonable play, though I’m not predicting this one till the weigh-in.

Posted July 24, 2013 4:08 pm 

Gonzo the Unbannable


Posted July 24, 2013 3:02 pm 

Gonzo the Unbannable

I wonder what the odds will be for Groves to pull off the upset. I’m no gambler but I think this might be one of those fights that it’s worth having a little flutter on if the odds are good.

Posted July 24, 2013 3:02 pm 

Gonzo the Unbannable

Edit> I fancy Froch to wear Groves down and get him out of there at some stage of the later half of the fight.

Posted July 24, 2013 2:59 pm 

Gonzo the Unbannable

Edit>Groves is pretty good and I fancy him to cause Froch big problems

Posted July 24, 2013 2:58 pm 

Gonzo the Unbannable

I’m really looking forward to this fight though. Groves is pretty good and I fancy him to cause Froch, whom I think might be on the downward slope now.. he’s had way too many any hard fights now and worryingly he was back to punching in slow motion again for large spells in his last fight, luckily for him Kessler’s tanks are even more heavily depleted than his are… My big concern for Groves is his durability. I’ve seen him hurt on a number of occasions and contrary to what a lot of people think, Froch is actually very heavy-handed, particularly when he actually heeds Robert McCracken’s advice and doesn’t load up too much on his shots. I fancy Froch to wear Groves down and get him out of there in the later at some stage of the later half of the fight, but I also think Groves has the attributes to cause big problems for Froch too and I wouldn’t right off his chances of pulling off the upset either. Ginger people ain’t no joke.

Posted July 24, 2013 2:57 pm 

Gonzo the Unbannable

I’m not sure whether Froch is ready to face a ginger yet. Hopefully Robert McCracken will be able to get him some quality sparring against a couple of half decent strawberry blondes before they put him in there with a world class ginger.

Posted July 24, 2013 2:45 pm 

Fight Aficionado

“Groves got a gift against De Gale, who figured him out after maybe 3 rounds.” – You obv didn’t watch that fight or if you did it was with rose colored glasses. A somewhat close but clearcut win for Groves.

Posted July 24, 2013 2:02 pm 

Fight Aficionado

“DeGale has got the ability to beat both of these guys, he’s just not got the rite manigment.” – Did management make him lose to Groves already?

Posted July 24, 2013 2:01 pm 

Fight Aficionado

UK tabloids reporting 2012 Olympic heavyweight gold medalist Anthony Joshua is turning pro, with debut most likely on Froch-Groves undercard. Nice…

Posted July 24, 2013 2:00 pm 


wish this was on epix

Posted July 24, 2013 1:50 pm 



Posted July 24, 2013 11:39 am 


I like both fighters but the guys Groves has been up against recently have not been anywhere near the league of Froch. Bute had a rather mobile jerky style and I don’t think Groves is all that different. Froch just watched Bute, bided his time then struck. I expect a similar approach vs Groves who spends an awful lot of time jumping around the ring with some very exaggerated movements. Froch will watch and wait all the while closing down the distance before striking hard. Froch is way more experienced and is a proven 12-round fighter. I think Groves might be in for a far more difficult night than he thinks and I also feel he’s not quite as good as he thinks he is. Either way, should be a fun fight!!

Posted July 24, 2013 10:05 am 


DeGale has got the ability to beat both of these guys, he’s just not got the rite manigment.Carl is an all action fighter but IMO massivley overrated and groves is still a novice he’s got smarmy Adam booth treating him like a big time Charlie who only needs to fight two times a year.

Posted July 24, 2013 10:03 am 


The Froch/Dirrell fight was one of the biggest robberies in recent history. Dirrell took him to school and even hurt Froch about as bad as I’ve ever seen Froch hurt before. Dirrell should be pushing for this rematch, and Froch being the warrior he has proven to be, should make it happen.

Posted July 24, 2013 9:42 am 


Groves got a gift against De Gale, who figured him out after maybe 3 rounds.

I see Froch winning a wide UD in a fight made god awful by Groves refusal to punch, let alone engage. Froch isn’t the punch bag he is made out to be, and Groves isn’t nearly as slick as some claim.

Posted July 24, 2013 9:06 am 

boxing barlow

People keep going on about him being too young blah blah, but you gotta take your chances when they present themselves and have confidence in your own ability. Froch is undisputed number two at the minute and if Groves could pull this one out of the bag he’ll catapult himself into the big league! The reality is that the blueprint to beat froch is there for all to see. You just gotta outbox him and keep away from his bombs. Easier said than done but we’ve seen Taylor come to within a whisker of doing a real number on him, Dirrell use his defensive skills to make froch look like an amateur (a little more aggression and Riddell would have grabbed the win) and Ward just outclassed him. So it’s not like we’re looking at a Ward or a Calzaghe here where no one has even come close to giving them a touch fight let alone a loss.

Posted July 24, 2013 8:14 am 


This is a good move for George and a brave one,he has stepped up to the mark and showed the boxing world he’s ready to have a go….Either way if he looses it won’t put him back much,Carl is a big scalp and if he wins this George is ready for the big time…..Personally I don’t think he can, but if Carl takes him lightly he will be shocked….George is not a chilling puncher but he does dig…This is a good match up….

Posted July 24, 2013 7:13 am 


Froch is obviously a big favourite but Groves is capable of winning if he uses the hit and run tactics that edged him the win over De Gale.

Posted July 24, 2013 5:36 am 

Mick the Marmalizer

AssyrianGod: Agreed in an ideal World Andre”hometown boy”Ward vs Carl”road warrior”Froch II in the UK + Bika/Groves on the undercard would be perfect. However it’s not a perfect World! For me this is a fight too soon for the 25 year old Groves, but for the good of British Boxing I shall be routeing for him to take the 37 year old Froch. His only hope is to try & out box him though as no one KO’s Carl(Chin of granite)Froch
Off subject: I’d like to see English champion Rocky Fielding get a crack @ British champion Paul Smith before the years out.

Posted July 24, 2013 4:29 am 


Groves will be treading water the whole …Scissor kicks the works , his in for a beating …………

Posted July 24, 2013 4:17 am 


People say the name Dirrell like he is a boxer and not a punchline.

If you try to shake Dirrells hand he puffs up like a scared cat, runs around you 50 times then jumps on the roof.

Usain Bolt lists Dirrell as a major influence on his running.

Posted July 24, 2013 3:15 am 


COBRA needs to start fast and go to the body early in this one. Hard and often… The later rouns will take care of themseleves.

Against someone like St. Groves you have to dictate the action and not let him get into a rhythm.

I see two scenarios with this one:

A brawl for it all… or

A cat-and-mouse type chess match as each tries to feint the other into making mistakes for them to counter.

Most likely scenario is for Carl to keep his cool and box George in the style he did to KING ARTHUR ABRAHAM and go for the decision win!

I’ve a feeling George could be dangerous with the counters, so a gung-ho approach definitely not the case in this bout!

Posted July 24, 2013 2:59 am 


COBRA needs to start fast and go to the body early in this one. Hard and often… The later rouns will takle care of themseleves.

Against someone like St. Groves you have to dictate the action and not let him get into a rhythm.

I see two sceanrios with this one:

A brawl for it all… or

A cat and mouse type chess match as each tries to feint the otehr into making mistakes for them to counter.

most likely scenario is for Carl to keep his cool and box George in the style he did to KING ARTHUR ABRAHAM and go for the decision win!

I’ve a feeling George could be dangerous with the counters, so a gung-ho approach definitely not the case in this bout!

Posted July 24, 2013 2:56 am 


Bit early for George, but he’ll be back to win a world title further down the line.

Posted July 23, 2013 10:06 pm 


I had always felt that Froch deserved the decision in that fight. But at the time I said, and still feel it was not that Froch won the fight, but that Dirrel lost the fight. I also felt that Froch deserved the victory in Denmark against Kessler, though it was close, and also felt he did better against Kessler in Denmark than he did against Dirrell. However, in that fight, in the later rounds, I remember watching Dirrell all of a sudden go on the offensive, and Froch seeming at the time to be some what startled, and I think that Dirrell realized that he really had not fought the fight he should have fought. At the time, and I wrote here, when everyone was so impressed with Abraham after his 12 round knock out, that DIrrel would beat him, and that he would not fight the same way he did against Froch. I just felt that it was some unfinished business for Froch, but perhpas after 4 yrs, and so few fights, if he can ever show the promise he once did.

Posted July 23, 2013 7:54 pm 


Nicolas – no one would pay to see froch fight dirrell again. that fight was a stinker. people call what Floyd did vs Guerrero running. it wasn’t. what dirrell did to froch was what running looks like. pot shotting on the move so you don’t even have any leverage ie power on your punches and then when you can’t run grabbing hold for dear life. I feel this fight( froch vs groves) was always going to happen. it’ll be a good enough pay day for froch as he waits out the ward rematch

Posted July 23, 2013 7:32 pm 

The Brits

Direll just ran, kept holding excessively, complaining aganst Froch, he thought he was going to win a World title doing that.

Posted July 23, 2013 6:59 pm 

The Brits

Dirrell is he still hibernating?

Posted July 23, 2013 6:42 pm 


Is that Prince Harry in the photo? Never mind–no line bifocals.

Posted July 23, 2013 6:41 pm 


WHile I expect Groves to do better than Harrision, a more interesting fight for Froch to have made would have been a rematch with ANdre Dirrell, a fight that many felt that Dirrel won. While Dirrel has not had the same success in the years following their 2009 bout, it makes some sense, and should even be an easier win for Froch. I would not be surprised that Andre with the issues he suffered following his DQ win over Arthur Abraham does not want Froch at this time. ANother thought would be to also fight his brother Anthony. WHile this might be an interesting fight for the British, a bad Groves loss would I feel diminish his marketability. He should really I think go after Stieglitz, a fighter he was once supposed to fight, even BIka.

Posted July 23, 2013 6:20 pm 


Only reason this fight is being considered is because Froch is Brtish and so is Groves. It will do well In Britain at the box office, but then so did Haye-Harrison.

Posted July 23, 2013 6:05 pm 

Kid Blast

Lenin has the beat

Posted July 23, 2013 5:32 pm 

Jeff Lebowski

George is a bit chinny, but he’s fast and will have to be on his bike most of the fight but he can win by using is hand speed and doing all he can to avoid Froch’s big punches but if he gets in too close Froch will KO him. George is a pretty big puncher as well so Carl could get stopped, but his jaw is MUCH better than George. If it’s a war, on the inside Carl wins by stoppage, but if George boxes a smart distance fight he can win on points.

Best guess – Froch by late stoppage once George slows down. Maybe rounds 8-10

Posted July 23, 2013 5:07 pm 

Mick the Marmalizer

What’s the betting so called WBC Silver titlist James DeGale gets a crack @ Sakio Bika next?

Posted July 23, 2013 4:32 pm 


Froch by KO. Groves is brave, but not in Froch’s league.

Posted July 23, 2013 4:07 pm 


I think froch wins by KO, But groves shouldn’t b written off. If he employs a more honed version of what he done against Degalle, he could steal the rounds

Posted July 23, 2013 3:40 pm 

Mick the Marmalizer

This is a very bad financial move by George Groves. As WBC & WBO #1 mandatory contender @ 168Lb he would have been better advised to take on Bika or Stieglitz 1st, thus lining up a massive unification with Froch next Summer in the UK with a 50% purse split. As it is Froch rightly so will demand a 60/40% divide. Pro boxing is all about “CA$H MON£Y” & always will remain so. St George could well be the next biggest thing in British boxing, but this could just be a step to soon & the end of his 0. I’m routing for him to beat the Cobra, but just can’t see it happen as early as 2013, 19 pro fights is not enough. I know he has youth on his side, but Froch has a chin of granite that doesn’t look like being impregnated!

Posted July 23, 2013 3:38 pm 


I was right when I said Froch wouldnt give up the belt, Cobra KO 7th round.

Posted July 23, 2013 3:12 pm 


I think Froch wins this, but I also agree with Groves saying it shows some despair by Froch asking Groves to stand and fight. Groves has the liberty to employ any strategy he thinks offers him the best chance to win, and Froch needs to do the same.

Posted July 23, 2013 2:36 pm 


I see Froch winning this, but it should be good. Groves is a decent kid and can get a second shot.

Posted July 23, 2013 2:18 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Great fight. Groves can box or bang, Froch can as well. But I think this is going to be a straight up rumble. Gotta give props to Groves for stepping up here. He’s likely an underdog and it’s maybe smarter to wait a couple years.

Posted July 23, 2013 2:14 pm 


Two English men from the same stable why is I taking so long to get it on? Groves is a bit better than he’s getting credit for but I doubt he’s good enough yet,out side of the ring both men are as dull as dish water so it will be a long tedious build up,and if it is a PPV they won’t get any of my cash this is sertanley no PPV event.

Posted July 23, 2013 1:40 pm 


Groves 3rd KO too strong for Froch

Posted July 23, 2013 1:21 pm 


Groves by 3rd round KO, hes too quick too strong for froch

Posted July 23, 2013 1:20 pm 


im not a frocch fan way back when he wanted joe calz

Posted July 23, 2013 1:08 pm 


sorry george groves

Posted July 23, 2013 1:04 pm 


good fight . . . cool!

Posted July 23, 2013 12:42 pm 



Posted July 23, 2013 11:40 am 


Yeah I forgot about the “top 5″ comment! Obviously the list is in his own head.

I agree Junior, pound for pound is too subjective to be taken with anything except a large pinch of salt.

Posted July 23, 2013 11:39 am 

boxing barlow

Hmmm froch top 5 pound for pound? Does anyone else have in in their top 5? Lol

Posted July 23, 2013 11:17 am 

boxing barlow

It is not the WBA title! It’s the ‘regular bull crap worthless title! Please stop saying Froch is WBA champ! This title was won by Kessler against McGee for Christ sake! ward is WBA champ!

Posted July 23, 2013 11:14 am 

mr Gav

20 to learn 20 to earn! Groves is about as ready as he can be, he has a much better chance against bika or stitzlger but he has a great punch and froch is easy to hit. Groves is well trained and will come up with a great game plan. However I think froch is in his prime and be too good for a brave grooves . Either tko 11 or ud for froch

Posted July 23, 2013 10:52 am 


George Groves will have too much movement and skills for Froch. If Groves sticks to his plan, which I am sure he will, then I see a convincing UD for him.

In the run up I think people will underrate Groves’ power (although I don’t see a stoppage) and overrate Froch’s ability. Froch has garnered this hype over the last few years which he does deserve as he’s a warrior. Although the hype does detract from his limited ability.

The bottom line is when in with an intelligent mover he struggles. My only worry for Groves is his chin comes up when he tires later on.

Posted July 23, 2013 10:52 am 


Why wait 5 months

Posted July 23, 2013 10:37 am 

Blue Blood

George probably should have fought a couple of top ten guys before taking Carl on, good fighter but lack of experience plus titlefight experience will show here. Never say never but Geroge may find himself out of his depth here

Posted July 23, 2013 10:21 am 


Think this is a bit early for Groves and too much of a step up, and expect Froch to be too strong and take him out around round 8. However, I’m really looking forward to it, and if Carl is not fully up for it and Groves is really on his game it could be very interesting.

Froch TK0 8 though

Posted July 23, 2013 8:36 am 

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