GGG v chaves. The way I see that is discipline and balanced power v ill discipline and power. The former wins 9 out of 10 times.Posted July 5, 2013 6:13 am
dmille, its a legit question, who has GGG faced? But on another level, just watching him, he is supreme in his footwork, his clinical shot choice, and terrific balance. I can on one hand the times he has lost balance throwing power shots. I’m pretty sure there is no over rating this guy, but its all to come. Mouth watering.Posted July 5, 2013 6:03 am
It all depends if Martinez still has his in out side to side legs, and reflexes. I fear he hasn’t and would get KOd. That’s if he takes the fight next year, another year on. If he avoids this fight he will lose a lot of credibility, he’d be more damaged by that than by being beaten up by the monster GGG.Posted July 5, 2013 5:59 am
Sergio’s shot on the wide open Williams was a career best punch… Like the punch Marquez landed on Pacquiao… Martinez is a great boxer-puncher.
Golovkin is an ATG boxer-puncher.Posted July 4, 2013 10:40 pm
GGG looks good so far, but who has he faced? Kinda thin on the resume. And I remember what Sergio did to Paul Williams in their rematch. Can Gennaday handle Maravilla’s power?Posted July 4, 2013 8:24 pm
correctPosted July 3, 2013 8:53 pm
Martinez has been knocked down a lot in fights. He’s always got up and finished the fight, but against GGG he might not.Posted July 3, 2013 3:28 pm
Daniel Geale last maybe 3 rounds.Posted July 3, 2013 1:51 pm
“plodders?” Man you are missing something. Don’t get stalking confused with plodding. GGG goes on the stalk as soon as the bell rings and proceeds to cut off the ring. Martinez would be backing up pronto and as soon as he felt the unusual power, he would look like an Argentine deer caught in the headlights.
This kid knows separation better than any I have seen in recent years. Proska fights like Martinez and Proska was slaughtered like so much Polish Kielbasa. Martinez is in this for the money–nothing more, nothing less.Posted July 3, 2013 1:49 pm
Thats easy no he cannotPosted July 3, 2013 11:39 am
Mike….if anyone chooses to remain in front of GGG, then of course, they will have problems. But there are others out there whose style is completely different. Martinez and Ward are not the type of stay in front of anyone but, they will beat you. I’d like to see how GGG handles someone who sticks and moves and is not some B level fighter, like Macklin, but someone who is respected and known to beat plodders like GGG.Posted July 3, 2013 11:18 am
Martinez its the best fightet in the world from 154to160 …and maywheater its a coward he is beem duckin martinez for a long while floyd fought cotto for a 154 tittle then why avoid martinez at the same weight?? Even though we all knartinez its a natural154 pounder beating monsters at 160Posted July 3, 2013 7:08 am
Once again I agree with you re Daniel Geale…. so far he has made the best of his limitations, but I do not rank him in the top 3 Middleweights… Actually, not in the top 5.
His victory over Sturm flattered him and said more about the downward spiral of Felix than it did of Geale’s supremacy…Posted July 3, 2013 2:28 am
largo has the beat and kid blast has a crystal ball!Posted July 2, 2013 11:14 pm
In a word, no.Posted July 2, 2013 10:25 pm
Good post Tark!!Posted July 2, 2013 10:02 pm
All these fanboys will have to use different screen names once the GGG train is derailed by a well-placed bomb-like Pavlik’s fanboys did when things didn’t pan out the way they thought things would.Posted July 2, 2013 9:07 pm
mike is the latest addition to GGG fanboys club.Posted July 2, 2013 9:03 pm
Well you’ve criticized all the “fanboys” quite handily nameless. Now qualify your accusations and comments. Try talking about boxing and not other people.Posted July 2, 2013 8:36 pm
Golovkin is the best from Jr. Middle to Super Middle PERIOD. Cowards Mayfeather, Canelo, Martinez, and bore Ward all are ducking the Peoples P4P champ. I feel sorry for any one who gets in the ring with the Russian Buzzzsaw. He will demolish them in short order.Posted July 2, 2013 8:36 pm
Bernard & truthteller, add those fanboys to the list.Posted July 2, 2013 7:41 pm
Limay Jay, only Squared Circle is more a GGG fanboy than you. Congrats.Posted July 2, 2013 7:40 pm
This fight is not gonna happen even if the money is right. The risk-reward dilemna is not a factor here. Di Bella knows his guy is in for a beat down against Golovkin.Posted July 2, 2013 7:36 pm
Martinez will retire before facing GGG. There is no way DiBella is going to put his only elite fighter he has left in the ring with a killer like GGGPosted July 2, 2013 6:06 pm
UJelly…….. Kid choco doesn’t offer the financial returns that the others do ..Posted July 2, 2013 5:43 pm
Than Macklin …Posted July 2, 2013 5:20 pm
@ Tark ….Daniel Geale is a much better technician has better balance footwork defense ,he just lacks the POP to bother someone like 3G …….Posted July 2, 2013 5:19 pm
The Mad Scientist
So now triple G will slice and dice Chavez Jr, GTFO!..Lol, Im not saying Jr beats the G-man but styles makes fight applies here and Chavez wont have a hard time finding him like he did against Sergio wich what seems to be Martinez last primed performance of his career..these triple G fans are nuttin all over themselves about the mans punching power and they fail to realize that maybe Jr cracks that chin or ribs before Golovkin even gets the chance to get him out of there first..Posted July 2, 2013 4:54 pm
Geale is not going to beat anyone… Grennady takes him out in 3, easy… DG can’t box or punch so he’ll get destoryed as fast as Macklin.Posted July 2, 2013 4:22 pm
I think Daniel Geale will outbox both of themPosted July 2, 2013 3:02 pm
Fight Aficionado – I agree! But it’s also a business, and at this point in his career, Martinez is looking for easier fights and more money…you can’t blame him, but you can’t applaud that either! He’s certainly declined, it’s a bad match-up for him. I REALLY want him to fight GGG, it’s a fight that needs to happen….but I won’t bank on it.Posted July 2, 2013 1:53 pm
Sergio vs GGG is a fight that needs to happen. DiBella by saying it makes no sense for Martinez is a hypocrite. During those years Martinez was the odd man out waiting for a title holder to give him a shot, he’d rant about how it was a big problem in boxing. Now that Sergio is the one holding belts he wants him to duck GGG.Posted July 2, 2013 1:34 pm
Golovrilla will dish out those “late Chavez shots” at Martinez early on in the fight. Martinez is not yesterday. He is older. Golovkin is really catty in what he throws. It seems like a lot of power is behind those shots. Chavez-Golovrilla would be a much more interesting fight to watch toe to toe.Posted July 2, 2013 1:25 pm
Golovkin will walk straight through Martinez….no amount of awkwardness will protect him from the inevitable.
In some good news, I read some quotes from Geale’s training camp and they mentioned interest in unifying against Martinez or Golovkin (interestingly didn’t mention Quillin) should Geale get past Barker.
te tumbo – My thoughts EXACTLY!!!!Posted July 2, 2013 11:16 am
It’ll be like Hagler/Hearns! If Hagler never got hit by Hearns and if Hearns got blown out in the first round.Posted July 2, 2013 11:12 am
Who killed JFK ?
agreed TARKPosted July 2, 2013 11:08 am
Tark…Agreed,Thats why the belt holders should be forced to fight the number one,two,guys in the div.Ofcourse it dosent always work that way with rigged ratings so forth.If a champ is at the end of his rope and cant beat the top guy/guys then its time to walk away and let the fans see the best fight the best.Posted July 2, 2013 11:06 am
If you’re an old man you still should defend your title against the most appropriate opponent…
You shouldn’t be allowed to cherry-pick challengers until your 43 and then retire with your most logical opponents still sitting out there after 6 or 7 years of desperately trying to get a fight with you…
And the excuse is, “Yeah… He didn’t fight the best challenger because he was old. You have to cut him some slack on that.”Posted July 2, 2013 10:31 am
Chavez or Quillin – Golovrilla 2013!Posted July 2, 2013 10:01 am
Does Martinez deserve to be put through the gauntlet at this point of his career?Posted July 2, 2013 9:34 am
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)
murderman: Thanks brother. You’re post was on Beat Street as well. I don’t see 3G fighting at Light HW anytime in the foreseeable future, so think he and Ward will eventually go at 168lbs. I also really like Ward and think he’s the only Super MW in the world who might be able to beat 3G.
But those two are much closer in size than I thought. 3G actually has the longer reach and is only about 1 1/2″ shorter. I think it would be one hell of great fight and I can’t wait to see it!Posted July 2, 2013 9:32 am
No… almost retirement time for Martinez.Posted July 2, 2013 8:40 am
Jonn E. JaGozza
I don’t believe Martinez can withstand the pressure he’ll be put through
martinez is the most overrated fighter about today. GGG would hammer him into an early KO.Posted July 2, 2013 6:12 am
@ sc – you are right on my brother! Like always!Posted July 2, 2013 5:49 am
Adonis stevenson, and maybe ward at 168 are the only 2 i can think of off hand who can beat GGG. Ni one at 160 and below. He is too skilled n powerful! Ward is long, slick, skilled, n has just enough power to give GGG problems. Stevenson is a bigger man, bigger puncher, good chin, good skills. May be a lil too big for GGG. But any at 160 or below GGG will smash out! Easily!Posted July 2, 2013 5:48 am
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)
LOL…. Chavez will get outboxed, sliced-up and smashed out by 3G, even if he comes into the ring weighing 185lbs — which is exactly what he’ll try to do.Posted July 2, 2013 5:03 am
A prime Chavez would be great to see against GGG. I predict a punishing stoppage by round 5. Nobody can take GGG’s onslaught without hitting back, which is Chavez’s game plan. He’ll take punishment for the first ten rounds before deciding to hit back. Won’t work against GGG but I’d love to see it.
Martinez is an old man and it shows. He won’t get past Quillin and GGG is a disaster for him. His last fight compared to the Dzinziruk fight shows his deterioration. He’s a tiny bit slower in hand speed and especially his footwork isn’t as active as before. He’s getting hit with single jabs and 1-2s without getting out of the way.
The Mad Scientist
Too much triple G hype..that’s good, it’ll make a Chavez Jr victory that much better if that fight ever comes off..Posted July 2, 2013 4:49 am
I genuinely hope he does step up but so far he’s shown zero signs of it, he’s milking his reign to the max and who can blame him,I don’t seen as how he’s nearing the end of his career,but if he was younger I would give him stick for not calling out the other champions, heck it really should be Martin Murray who is champ, Anyone for Murray vs GGG?Posted July 2, 2013 3:37 am
Chomping at the bit to get KTFO.Posted July 2, 2013 3:32 am
NO he won’t. Martinez is chomping at the BIT.Posted July 2, 2013 3:30 am
Martinez WILL AVOID GGG like the bubonic plague.Posted July 2, 2013 3:22 am
THE NATURAL MATCHUP is GGG vs JULIO CESAR CHAVEZ JNR….
Triple G will be going up against a man who will be anything up to 185 lbs in the ring on fight night in JNR and is notorious for using his face as his defence.
If Chavez is as tough as he thinks he is, he will be able to do what no other man has so far been successful in and that is backing up Triple G…
It will be interesting to see what he is like under constant pressure and himself having to take those hooks to the body again and again and battle it out at close quarters, where Chavez is at his best.
I think this will be the test to see what Triple G can do if his weapons don’t work vs a huge man at the weight.
PERSONALLY, I think Triple G will look spectacular and take out JNR early.
But, that is my opinion!Posted July 2, 2013 3:05 am
GGG doesnt have the type experience to beat Ward or Martinez!!!! He’s ready made for them, he stalks and the box, easy work.Posted July 2, 2013 2:59 am
GGG will put away WARD and Martinez like nothing.Posted July 2, 2013 2:35 am
The answer is NO… Martinez cannot handle GGG’s power, speed, and skill.. He’ll be knocked out before the championship rounds.
Grennady is the whole package… Speed, power, skill, toughness, smarts, experience, emotional control, focus, work ethic, and courage.Posted July 2, 2013 2:00 am
Read that Martinez hurt his knee again and said he would be out till next year round April or May I think and he won’t fight GGG his first fight but they said that they think Sergio would toy with him. He would be KOdPosted July 2, 2013 1:13 am
never see Martinez fight GGG. too much risk for little $$.Posted July 1, 2013 11:48 pm
Martinez was crawling on the floor for both his last 2 fights. Plus his shots didn’t seem to faze either opponent. He would embarrass himself against GGG. They would only take this fight if the money is really good.Posted July 1, 2013 11:11 pm
UJelly if Triple G can get 2 of the 3 fights I mentioned then take on Ward would be great. I think he still needs a little more polish before taking on a really slick boxer. I would like to see Triple G against Kessler as well if it could be arranged good experience for him Kessler is pretty good boxer not like Ward but close.Posted July 1, 2013 10:49 pm
@Tachyon: “Triple G new super star reminds me of kosta when he was young good kid”
Ironically, in a recent discussion we figured that the way to beat GGG may be the same as for Kostya. Trying to box with either ends up with you expending too much energy and being worn down and positioned for a painful night (which is why I’d bet on Golovkin over Martinez). But forcing the action in close and smothering the power could be the way to go (which is why I’d bet on Ward over Golovkin).
But the most important thing… all you Koreans and Russians… start making babies together! They seem to become good boxers!Posted July 1, 2013 10:31 pm
Sergio is slowing down. He had a good run but its time to step aside. Maybe and I say maybe a rematch with Chavez and pack it in. A match with GGG would turn out badly.Posted July 1, 2013 10:30 pm
Steve from Florida
Martinez is a class guy, and I’m happy he got to cash in at a rather advanced age. But he is now 38, and past his prime. I’m afraid that 3G would have an easy time with this version of Martinez.Posted July 1, 2013 10:11 pm
Triple G should dust off Martinez, spank canelo, then place Froch on his birthday cake and blow his ass out. 3 good fights Triple G new super star reminds me of kosta when he was young good kid.Posted July 1, 2013 10:11 pm
Jimmy Braddock insisted he should “go out like a champ” when Joe Gould asked him to stop the fight against Joe Louis. Martinez should go out like a champ too. If he gets knocked the f out, at least he got KFTO by a guy worthy of taking his throne. Rather see Sergio end out like that then some piddling close points decision loss to a guy who he would have creamed a few years ago and definitely dominated recently (yeah, I am talking Chavez).Posted July 1, 2013 9:50 pm
not 2day, mayb a few yrs ago. However GGG needs T start steppn up in class. Martinez is crafty and wouldnt b easy.GGG vs Geale or Quillin would also b gd 2 cPosted July 1, 2013 9:36 pm
The Mad Scientist
Martinez should just move down to 154lbs and fight Canelo win or lose unless kid cinnamon gets totally dismantled by Mayweather but not likely.Posted July 1, 2013 9:34 pm
Martinez is on the decline and his only chance to make some big money before retiring is against Chavez. Judging from their last encounter and last round kncok down of Martinez, I believe Chavez will beat him this time around. I also think Martinez intimidated Chavez to some degree before the fight…I don’t think that would be the case a second time around.
However, where’s Chavez and will he be able to make 160? Golovkin-Martinez would be a good match, but not to the level of a Chavez-Martinez rematch.Posted July 1, 2013 9:31 pm
The Mad Scientist
I wanna see GGG vs 180lbs of pressure to see who’s chin will crack first..Posted July 1, 2013 9:31 pm
At this stage in his career Martinez has nothing for GGG. His body is breaking down. Maybe a few years ago he maybe could defeat him. Martinez should retire before he gets hurt. GGG vs kid chocolate, geale, would be a much better fight.Posted July 1, 2013 9:30 pm
Martinez should fight cottoPosted July 1, 2013 9:03 pm
I don’t want to see Martinez sacrificed like that. Chavez vs GGG would be awesome tho!Posted July 1, 2013 9:02 pm
some good fights for GGG at 160. who has quillen fought?Posted July 1, 2013 8:56 pm
Martinez never took on the real comp in his division so no way he fights GGG. He would most definitely lose that fight, probably around the 8th or 9th round. GGG is gonna run middleweight for as long as he wants, or of course if someone comes in with good boxing skills and can actually take his punch. Don’t see that happening though.Posted July 1, 2013 8:54 pm
No…GGG should fight Murray,Danny Geale,Chavez JR.,and ofcourse he should fight Sergio M. to clean house at MW but Sergio cant handle that power..no way.In fact Murray and Geale should be his toughest fight at MW.GGG I belive wins all those fights,then should look at Bute,Froch,Kessler,and last but not least Ward.If he makes it to Ward it would be huge…it would be like pac vs Mayweather should have been but ofcourse didnt happen,this would take its place,if it reaches that point.Which I belive it could..maybe.Posted July 1, 2013 8:49 pm
Would like to see GGG vs. Murray and Chavez Jr. Vs. Froch…Posted July 1, 2013 8:31 pm
GGG an BHOP would be fun…..BHOP IS the dirtiest player in the game and very wise/clever.
I WOULD PPV THAT FIGHTPosted July 1, 2013 8:20 pm
Martinez is a great man but no longer a great boxer. His last fight was so difficult to watch. All good things must end and Sergio will not duck GGG, as he is a true man. The sad part is that with his fancy footwork and pride, which I respect, GGG will KO Martinez…..sad but very true.Posted July 1, 2013 8:17 pm
Martinez can certainly handle Golovkin’s strength. he was absorbing Solid-Shots from Chavez Jr. AFter he was wobbled and decked and managed to finish the round. prior to that he was doing what he does best v. straight-ahead pressure-fighters: Teeing-Off with relative impunity. the real question is whether Golovkin can weather the sustained storm to surge in the mid to later rounds to catch an increasingly-fatigued Martinez. if so, he wins in concussive fashion. if not, Martinez edges him out on the scorecards. IMO, those are the most likely scenarios for this proposed matchup.Posted July 1, 2013 8:14 pm
Sink the Golovkin.Posted July 1, 2013 8:12 pm
What is Golovkin now, he is all over World press now, what will he be in 2 year, great fighter.Posted July 1, 2013 8:10 pm
Stark – I agree!Posted July 1, 2013 7:48 pm
Sergio needs time off. He shouldn’t be even thinking about boxing right now, let alone ggg. If he heals up this is a possibility. Chavez jr vs ggg would be big. Chavez will need to strategize to pull it off.Posted July 1, 2013 7:43 pm
NO, Sergio is shot. He looked terrible last time. He’ll get kayoed just like Macklin.Posted July 1, 2013 6:43 pm
GGG = Paul Williams ~ zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz winner Sergio !Posted July 1, 2013 6:39 pm
rbasset – That’s what I think too, I’m not so sure Martinez will go down and not get up…but I can GGG’s punishing attack be too much for Martinez’s body to handle, he’ll eventually tire and lose the fight on the cards.Posted July 1, 2013 6:29 pm
DEXTER MORGAN & Informer – I agree with both of! So well put, kudos.Posted July 1, 2013 6:23 pm
Martinez vs. GGG.
Martinez is one of the most incredible athletes of our time. He got a late start to boxing and did a masterful job at an old age for boxing. Look at the Seth Mitchells of the world. This is not a game to get a late start in. I think his mind and heart say yes, but his body can’t anymore. I’d like to see Pavlik against GGG. I think the build up to Quillen and GGG is inevitable. Meanwhile, let’s see some fights against GGG where the opponent is not afraid, like Pavlik, Kirkland, Chavez Jr. If he is going to beat people up let’s at least make it entertaining. Those are good names to get under his resume and they will definitely fight back.Posted July 1, 2013 6:08 pm
I think GGG is an absolute beast… One of my favorite fighters him, and Mathysse’s power is incredible… With that said I totally respect Martinez and maybe 2-4 years ago Martinez could have out boxed GGG… But at Martinez’s age, ring wear, fighting outside his weight class (IMO he more built for 154) and the various injuries, he would get serious hurt by GGG… Martinez is an oustanding fighters with a hit me and you pay style, crazy heart… But he will soon pass the torch to GGG… On another note Martinez doesnt have a suspect chin, most of if not all his knockdowns involved him being a bit off balance… Other than Chavez JR., Martinez has never really been hurt and honestly Chavez Jr. was a cruiserweight the night he fought Martinez… I said it here first GGG would/will serious hurt Canelo Alvarez if they meet at 154 or 160… I could dare say GGG would K.O. Canelo in 7 rd.s or less…Posted July 1, 2013 5:59 pm
Ray* – That was me and yes, I AGREE!Posted July 1, 2013 5:59 pm
I think Golovkin wipes out any MW on the planet and will most likely have to test himself against the bigger boys at 168+
Nope, Martinez body has given up. Like someone else said earlier, 2 years ago we would have given him a chance but since then he has been KD, hurt and his body has fallen apart from training and fights and at his age he would be right pickings for a fresher GGG, and whoever said Martinez has been ducking GGG for 2 years knows nothing about boxing.Posted July 1, 2013 5:56 pm
Maybe 3 years ago. Father time says no today.Posted July 1, 2013 5:51 pm
good writing Vitali. I sure hope they can make this right happen on a pasty saturday night.Posted July 1, 2013 5:45 pm
Nah.Posted July 1, 2013 5:34 pm
Squared-Circle – We haven’t seen GGG get hit flush by a good 160lb fighter, credit to his defense, but we don’t know if he has an “iron chin”, yet!Posted July 1, 2013 5:30 pm
I think yes, but his body won’t handle the pressure that GGG brings…two years ago I’d say Sergio has a DAMN GOOD chance, but since then Sergio has declined and his body can no longer support his fighting style…I love Martinez but I’d pick GGG to wear him down in route to a UD or TKO.Posted July 1, 2013 5:29 pm
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)
Of course not, that why he’s been ducking for almost two years and probably never will agree to fight him. I really like Maravilla, but he gets knocked down all the time. He’s never fought a murderous puncher like 3G with an Iron Chin.Posted July 1, 2013 5:19 pm