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It’s Me, Ernie
Yours hasn’t…Posted June 21, 2013 9:34 pm
Floyd hit his peak for the Marquez fight… He was never better… Never stronger… Never faster… Never fresher…
All the nagging injuries were completely healed — including his ribs, which Lamont Peterson damaged in sparring — and his hands felt perfect. He said he could have fought for 25 rounds and probably never got hit with a hard punch … It’s like a pitcher throwing a perfect game — 27 guys up to the plate, 27 guys out … no walks.
Vitali Klitschko said his best fight was Sam Peter after he was 4 years out of the ring… Kickboxing injuries to his legs always bothered him but the 4-year rehab made them feel better than ever.
Ali said the fastest and strongest he felt was when he fought Quarry after more than 3 years away… Sometimes a long rest really helps, because Ray leonard whipped Hagler after a 3-year-layoff with no tune-ups… For one thing you haven’t been getting punched in the head for a long time … and modern science has proven that your brain heals and compensates with new connections for several years after trauma.Posted June 21, 2013 8:57 pm
Nice try. Hilda! LolPosted June 21, 2013 5:10 pm
“Hidalgo – stop waffling and tell me when was Mayweather’s peak or just stfu if you don’t know dude.” You’re the man with all the answers Happyboy. Why don’t you tell us all when Mayweather’s peak was? Or is?Posted June 21, 2013 2:10 pm
Would garcia have performed as well as did saturday had he lost the required two pounds??? Normally, when the weight comes off, so does strength, speed, stamina. If mikey, as he stated to the world saturday, can make 126 in his next fight and perform well but….AGAINST the likes of a Rigo, Donaire and Mares, until then I don’t think mikey is all that. Anyone can look awesome against shop worn and past their prime opposition. Whats the point. Fightinng world class fighters who can compete at the same level as you and have the same level of talent will be a whole other story. So Mikey, tell me it aint so. Tell me you’re not just a hype job. Better yet, prove it.Posted June 21, 2013 9:43 am
Garcia boring, perhaps figure skating is the thing for you.Posted June 21, 2013 9:24 am
Hiring & Firing Manager: lol… your mom is a joke and she outdid herself when she shat you out, jaja. Your mother and father clearly are hideous losers, that’s what spawns things like you. That’s a 100% fact. Goodnight.Posted June 21, 2013 3:25 am
Hidalgo – stop waffling and tell me when was Mayweather’s peak or just stfu if you don’t know dude.Posted June 21, 2013 2:10 am
I saw Garcia fight 3 times now and I haven’t enjoy a single fight he had. It was boring.Posted June 20, 2013 10:42 pm
” you guys so busy hating ” It’s not “hating” Happyboy. It’s fact. DLH was at his best in the late 90s thru early 2000s. Mosley too. Winky Wright started the door to closing on Mosley. Cotto in the early to mid-2000s. And what I said about Marquez was exactly correct. The records speak for themselves–regarding his weight and Floyd’s cheating, intentionally, on his weight. Floyd had at least two physical advantages over Marquez when he fought him. Plus, he paid Marquez off to the tune of $600K in a last-minute hastily reworked contract so the fight would go on.Posted June 20, 2013 10:28 pm
Mex- not another Mayweather boring type of boxer…. Good luck with his career.Posted June 20, 2013 10:26 pm
Far out, there are so many one-eyed haters around.
Not only is he very talented boxing-wise, he also seems by all accounts to be a nice and humble guy. So it’s not like a Mayweather or Broner type character where they can be disliked for their demeanor.
The only stain on Garcia’s rep is not making the weight. Other than that, anyone hating on him is honestly just showing good old crab mentality.Posted June 20, 2013 10:05 pm
You don’t know boxing…Garcia the Mexican MayweatherPosted June 20, 2013 10:00 pm
Boring boxer!Posted June 20, 2013 9:47 pm
Fears- did you described Juanma as aggressive and shot long before Garcia beat him? Yeah Garcias win ain’t mean much against damaged good juanma.Posted June 20, 2013 9:46 pm
Yea, Garcia, like any good boxer, doesn’t run in using his face to block punches. He uses a jab, looks for openings, then mostly throws in combinations. Again, that’s what “real boxers” do.Posted June 20, 2013 9:45 pm
Ask Juanma if Garcia is aggressive. What is there not to like about Garcia’s style. I had some friends over for the fight Saturday and I was briefing them on Garcia and Juanma, since they didn’t know either. I told them Garcia was about the best fundamental fighter you will ever see. He’s quick, power in both hands, great footwork, accurate, patient and aggressive. One of my buddies told me that I described Garcia perfectly after the fight! For those who don’t like The Sweet Science there is WWF.Posted June 20, 2013 9:41 pm
See the problem with Garcia is he is not agressive he will wait and will wait until he sees an opening. If he has an Mayweather type of opponent you get a staring contest.Posted June 20, 2013 9:21 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Garcia is an extremely talented boxer that can crack…Posted June 20, 2013 9:21 pm
Yo te dumbo you tell em !!!! Ya dig .Posted June 20, 2013 9:09 pm
Mikey is a safety first boxer nothing wrong with that same with Canelo another example of a safety first fighter .Posted June 20, 2013 9:07 pm
I’ll repost that once I get on my PC.Posted June 20, 2013 9:02 pm
Havoc I would pay to see you get your face smashed on PPV event that showcases you facing Adonis Stevenson, James Kirkland, and both K-brothers in back to back fights. They. An just strap you to a streacher and prop it up again and again after the first bout and let ea h fighter pound away.Posted June 20, 2013 9:00 pm
So I take it you don’t like watching fighters who show technique — hit without getting hit? All you want to see is two guys beat the livin’ crap out of each other? Yea, that isn’t boxing.Posted June 20, 2013 8:52 pm
A safety fighter…WTF!!!…… G.T.F.O!!!!…idiots.Posted June 20, 2013 8:51 pm
Garcia is a safety first kind of a fighter. He rather lose than will go toe to toe with a real fighter. Mark my word on this!Posted June 20, 2013 8:38 pm
Garcia is “boring?” Dude, I think you need to find yourself a new sport to watch.Posted June 20, 2013 7:39 pm
1. There’s no question Garcia is the real deal. He has a diverse arsenal, places his shots extremely well, has a solid defense and extreme power. This guy is going to be in the top rankings for a while.
Garcia is another boring fighter. He cares more of not getting hurt. It means when facing a strong fighter he will cover up and rely on points.Posted June 20, 2013 7:34 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Happyboy, how could anyone say when Floyd was at his peak? He is still winning fights convincingly…Posted June 20, 2013 7:08 pm
Garcia is the goods for sure, but the article was a little much. Burgos certainly did beat Martinez and maybe would do better against Garcia than Martinez.Posted June 20, 2013 6:43 pm
Sometimes you just can’t get the weight off no matter what… You might get 18 pounds off for one fight but can’t take 15 off for the next.. The human body is hard to figure.
In that case you pay a hefty fine… At least Floyd paid 600,000 for being 2 pounds over for Marquez… and Mikey paid 150,000 for being 2 pounds over for Lopez..
That really hurts.. Especially since they give the money to your opponent.
That’s why you see guys damn near kill themselves to make weight. They hate to make their opponent richer and themselves poorer. The opponent also has the option of NOT fighting — which they seldom take.
You also can’t win a title being overweight. But your challenger CAN win your title if YOU are overweight.Posted June 20, 2013 6:43 pm
Hidalgo & Gato – you guys so busy hating you didn’t even listen to the question properly. Was Floyd at his peak when he faught those guys ( JMM, Mosley, ODH and Cotto)?Posted June 20, 2013 6:32 pm
Garcia’s team says they were sick and needed to keep fluids in him in order to even keep the fight alive. I’ll but that this time, but fool me once shame on me, fool me twice shame on you. I won’t buy it a second time.Posted June 20, 2013 5:52 pm
You guys can’t hate all you want, but anyone who’s willing to loose there belt on the scales should be a shamed of themselves. It’s an asolute disgrace. A spit in the face to all fans of boxing.Posted June 20, 2013 5:50 pm
Garcia needs to make weight. If he can’t go at 126 move to 130. It’s not fair to the guy who worked hard to make weight. That said, I don’t think the 2 lbs made a difference for Juanma who was going to get KTFO either way.Posted June 20, 2013 5:34 pm
Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)
Gradovich: Is now the IBF FW Champion after beating Billy Dib. Is a legit potential opponent for Garcia if he stays at 126lbs. However, the “Mexican Russian” is trained by Mikey’s brother and is part of Team Garcia in Oxnard/Ventura. Therefore, they will probably avoid this match-up.
Prospect: Super BW “Carlos the Jackal” Frampton from Ireland. 16-0 and stepping up to top international competition — although still largely untested at this point. If he eventually moves up to fight the top 3 at his weight-class he will lose, partially because of his short T-Rex arms.Posted June 20, 2013 4:58 pm
Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)
A lot of guys are doubting Garcia’s elite skills and glowing future, so are dropping names of top dogs they think he needs to fight in order to “prove” himself. But here’s the real deal scenario, fight fans. Let me break it down for you:
Rigo: At 122lbs and haven’t heard of any plans to move up. He’s only 5’4″ 1/2, always in shape, and doesn’t appear to have problems making weight.
Donaire: Just moved up to 122lbs in 2012 and may move back down to BW (118lbs) after losing everything to Rigo.
Gamboa: Just moved up to LW (135lbs) and is looking like Mike Tyson’s mini-me on PEDs. Probably a little too big for MG — for now anyway. I’d still really like to see this fight someday.
Mares: Just moved up to FW (126lbs) a month ago, so is a potential legit opponent for Garcia if he stays at FW. I think that Garcia beats Mares with his fluidity and superior power. (Mares is almost exactly the same size as Rigo, so I’d LOVE to see that match in the future.)
Santa Cruz: Just moved up to 122lbs a month ago, so is too small for Garcia. But he’s looking great — like he could give Rigo some really stiff comp.
Rocky Martinez: Super FW (130Lbs) and already lost to Irish Ricky Burns from the UK. IMO… he also lost to Burgos even though it was incorrectly ruled a Draw. Garcia will DESTROY him just like he did to JuanMono.
Burgos: A really talented 130lbs fighter who outlanded Rocky Martinez by 93 overall punches and 70 power punches. Straight-up robbed on the cards. Burgos is tall and long for his weight and could very well be Garcia’s stiffest comp at 130lbs.
Now you know what match-ups are likely to happen in the future and which ones should be considered more like “pipe-dream” fantasy fights at this point. This has been more REAL TALK from yours truly. You’re welcome, gentlemen.Posted June 20, 2013 4:30 pm
Garcia’s a nice fighter with some good skills, but – “He transforms a violent sport into one of grace, power and courage.” – I mean give us a break here.Posted June 20, 2013 3:55 pm
“WTF? The guy rehyrdrated back up 20 pounds. ” Boxerpuncher, I think Mikey weighed 142 lbs. on fight night. That’s a 14 pound increase.Posted June 20, 2013 3:52 pm
My bad, it was Castillo/Corales II, what I meant to say. Wishful thinking, for a 3rd. Ya’ll know what I mean though.Posted June 20, 2013 3:31 pm
“( ODH, JMM, Mosley & Cotto ). ” With the exception of JMM, Mayweather fought all of them when they were well past their best years. When he fought JMM, he fought a guy who had never fought higher than as a lightweight and who moved up to weight classes to face him. To top it off, Floyd cheated on his weight for his fight with Maruez. All the cards were stacked in Floyd’s favor long before the opening bell rang.Posted June 20, 2013 3:28 pm
The problem with Floyd beating those HOFmers is that all of those fighters had been beating up and been past their primes.Posted June 20, 2013 2:34 pm
More to the point, Floyd has ” manufactured ” a legacy fighting 10/11 World champions in a row including 4 future HOFmers ( ODH, JMM, Mosley & Cotto ). Which other great boxer has a record like that? Now at the age of 36 his fighting a young, strong WBC/WBA champion 14yrs his jnr. Most ATG were retired or showing clear signs of deterioted skills. You know a boxer is great when he wins by UD against a multi division champion and future HOFmer yet the headlines go on about his bloody nose in boxing. Give the man his due, you don’t have to like him.Posted June 20, 2013 1:25 pm
This is the Supreme Court!
Xcess – was Mosley fighting a prime Mayweather? A lot of you fans keep on saying Floyd cherrypicked faded fighters, was Cotto also facing a prime Mayweather considering the fact that Floyd is older than Cotto. One thing clear is Floyd fights champions coming off wins that is Mosley and Cotto included.Posted June 20, 2013 1:05 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
I guess it must be the same deal for Wladdie, his bouts where he was flattened were basically the only one’s worth watching…Posted June 20, 2013 1:04 pm
Right… If you get clobbered as much as Juanma Lopez, it’s hard to be boring.. Get knocked down.. Trade punches like crazy.. Knock the other guy down.. Then get knocked out…
Not boring… Also not interesting to somebody who loves to see superb skills.Posted June 20, 2013 12:15 pm
Mayweather will have his hands full with Canelo, but he has the skill and mental ability to pull this fight out in grand fashion, even though the kid has all the phyical advantages.Posted June 20, 2013 12:13 pm
It’s too early in Mikey’s career to know how long he’ll be around. But as it stands, he’s looking very good. I didn’t realize there were fans that think Garcia is boring. Those fans either have no repect for the sport, or are just lacking the mental ability to grasp what it takes to perform at a high level for long period of time in this sport.Posted June 20, 2013 12:09 pm
Canelo is not a has been… So we’ll see how Floyd does. Canelo has beaten a 20-something crafty boxer in Trout.. Floyd never beat a similar slickster in his 20’s.. Zab Judah, beaten in his previous fight by by the defenseless, plodding clodder, Carlos Baldomir, was not on the same level as Trout, especially in regard to size, strength, and chin.
Saul has size, strength, speed, skill, smarts, power, and a defense. He may not have tons of experience at the top level. At 22 he’s not going to have that. But his fight with Trout shows he can perform at that level… He’s the best fighter at 154.Posted June 20, 2013 11:58 am
More to the point, Mosely was NOT in his prime when he fought Floyd. Okay, so Floyd if anything, was the better man that night, but he did not fight the best Mosely. The best Mosely was during his encounters with DLH and Vernon Forrest….which is a far far cry from when he fought Floyd. Perhaps its clearer now Floyd has manufactured his legacy fighting has beens.Posted June 20, 2013 11:41 am
Supreme Court, being recognized by Ring magazine as champion does not stipulate a boxer as being in his prime simply because a strap. Having strap is not indicative of whether a fighter is in his prime. Many have held straps including DLH but DLH was not in his prime when he fought mayweather or Pacquiao. Even Flloyd, for as good a boxer that he is does not mean HE is in his prime. No, it is merely indicative of the best talent at the time, not whether at the time they were in their prime. As an aside, Margarito “crushed” Cotto through illegal means so that win is nothing but an asterisk in history. Anyone who wants to believe otherwise prefers to practice ignorance, because the facts are very clear on that particular fight.Posted June 20, 2013 11:37 am
Indeed. Good article.Posted June 20, 2013 10:09 am
This kid is for real. Not making weight is sort of bad but he is moving on so it all good.
I am ready to see him tested in a decent fight.Posted June 20, 2013 8:35 am
Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)
Love-the-Sport: That comment doesn’t even deserve a response.
Great article!!!!Posted June 20, 2013 8:00 am
Why didn’t this nice kid make weight?
We don’t know anything about Mikey Garcia until he has a legitimate fight against an elite fighter. LEGITIMATE FIGHT.
This means he makes weight. This means he doesn’t quit.
This is a fact. Garcia didn’t make weight against Lopez.
This is a fact. Garcia quit against Salido.
Before anybody gives any credit to Garcia, he should be required to make weight and he shouldn’t quit.Posted June 20, 2013 7:31 am
Mikey Garcia seems like a nice kid and he’s a helluva fighter; but he hasn’t been tested yet. Sooner or later that time will come and then we’ll see if Garcia is The Real Deal. Personally, I think Mikey Garcia is The Real Deal and wish him all the best.Posted June 20, 2013 6:47 am
Squarecircle – your excitement is understandable but let this kid first get by Nonito, Rigo and Mares. Rigo would be a real test of his good skills. Garcia is the real deal but only his competition will assist him in defining his greatness. Juanma looked great 2yrs ago but his defense was always suspect even back then which is why a fight between him and Gamboa would have been exciting.Posted June 20, 2013 5:33 am
Boxtra has a new handle Cordes …..Posted June 20, 2013 5:20 am
Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)
I’m all for Mikey G moving up to 130lbs. I definitely think he’ll rule that weight class even easier than FW. Then after he’s cleaned out Super FW/Jr. LW, he can move-up to LW and dominate that weight class for long time..
This kid is a totally different breed of animal and is going to become a HUGE STAR in the boxing world over the next 10-12 years. I FIRMLY believe that he would outbox, expose and beat Broner’s ass right now — even with the size disadvantage. Real talk.Posted June 20, 2013 5:20 am
I Agree. being able to effectively defend yourself is key to longevity. however, being able to recover from a solid shot in the moment (i.e., resilience) can’t be underrated. not even Mayweather could avoid being Stung and Buckled by an old and faded Mosley and Mayweather is among the best defenders in the entire fight-game, which has been key to his longevity and stature.Posted June 20, 2013 2:48 am
You saw what “amateur” Rigo did to Pro Donaire.Posted June 20, 2013 2:35 am
And people have a misconception about how important a chin is… What’s important is your defense. EVERYBODY can be knocked out… Tiger, Duran, Fullmer, Pacquiao, Lewis, and many many tough chinned guys have been taken out with one shot — perfect shot lands, you’re OUT!!! Nobody survives a real good shot, period.
But the thing is not to be like Juanma Lopez and Amir Khand and Seth Mitchell — and get nailed with shots all night because you’re going to have a short career… If you have a great defense you could still be knocked out, regardless of how strong your chin is.
But you might suffer one KO in your career. And more likely if you’re really good NO knockout losses in 50 to 70 fights. Because for a guy with finished defensive skills a KO loss is an accident.Posted June 20, 2013 1:44 am
LOOK…. When you fight and defeat two (2) world champions, one a former P4P guy, even though Lopez was overrated because he never fought anyone good and had no stance — then you’ve proven yourself.. You’ve got a lot of years in the game, you have over 30 professional fight, you’re undefeated, you’re not hanging around forever fighting 2nd raters.. You’re fighting the best guys you can.
It’s like Andre Ward.. Did I have to see him fight Kessler to know he was going to be around for many many years??? NO. Ward had skills when he had 17 fights… he could defend himself… he had been floored before, big freakin’ deal… but he could beat anybody out there who wasn’t well skilled, including Kessler and Froch.. And there’s nobody good in Ward’s weight class either, so he’s in the same boat as Garcia. A great fighter with nobody to fight.
Just like Mikey Gracia, who is also great.. and Mikey is fighting.. Whatever Andre is doing he hasn’t fought in a while with nothing scheduled.Posted June 20, 2013 1:30 am
No Tark, you did not get Largo’s point….
The elite will test that chin so Largo’s point is valid.Posted June 20, 2013 1:04 am
So TARK, if Mikey like Khan, when everything is said and done, can’t take a good shot what you gonna say? Because nobody, including you, know if he can and again I think that was the point.Posted June 20, 2013 12:56 am
No… I got Largo’s point completely… I made MY point, which is: Mikey Garcia is going to be around at the top level for a long, long time.
He’s no flash in the pan like Juan Manuel Lopez or Amir Khan… He’s not terribly flawed. I’ll give Khan some slack because he’s not completely trashed.. But unless he starts learning real skills he’s done for.. It’s like Seth Mitchell.. It’s either learn your craft, or quit..
It’s a rough business for guys who can’t defend themselves.Posted June 20, 2013 12:38 am
TARK, you missed Largo’s point by a mile. Garcia is unproven at the elite level and nobody knows how well he’ll take a good shot, that’s how I understood his comment and I agree.Posted June 20, 2013 12:17 am
Cheese cake in Montreal
Less spastic all those poor souls you’ve just lumped together with Tinkhan .Posted June 19, 2013 10:34 pm
Garcia ….Mexican Mayweather!!!!Posted June 19, 2013 10:17 pm
Mikey Garcia is no Amir Khan … Stronger stance… better balance… smoother feints… more pop on the jab… drives the straight right better and truer… smoother delivery on everything… better counterpuncher… sets up his leads better… slips and ducks punches better… less spastic… more punching power… smarter… more intuitive.Posted June 19, 2013 10:10 pm
It’s undeniable that Mikey has potential to be a great performer but he hasn’t fought any stiff opposition yet to deserve so much praise; Salido is only a tough journeyman & Juanma was a totally spent fighter with nothing to offer on the night. I remember similar accolades when Amir Khan first appeared on the boxing scene & I warned a lot of people the same way I’m doing now with Mikey…I’ll give him all the credit he deserves ONLY after he faces top level opposition & he’s hit in the kisser with a bomb. ‘til then, I can only say the kid has lots of potential.Posted June 19, 2013 9:55 pm
I don’t compare boxing to other sports… Lopez is not the best boxer and never was… His stance, balance, feinting, delivery, and defense were not going to measure up against Mikey. Garcia would be in deeper if he fought Rigondeux or Donaire—but he’s the best at his weight. Mikey is so relaxed, and his delivery is so smooth and effortless, that you have a hard time defending everything he throws—starting with the jab. He won’t reach his peak for another 5 years so he’ll be an ATG before he retires from Boxing.Posted June 19, 2013 9:16 pm
How is he smaller. JuanMa fought Salido before Garcia did. That was JuanMas only loss was from Salido. Yes he lost twice to him but that was the only person to beat him. Yes he missed weight by 2 pounds and he had to pay a hefty fee for the fight to go on. Now the way he dispatched of JuanMa had nothing to do with weight. JuanMa could of come in at 200lbs and he was still going to lose by KO.Posted June 19, 2013 9:12 pm
Great article … except for the fact that he cheated and didn’t make weight.
Great article … except that he beat-up on a guy two inches shorter and much smaller.
Great article … except that he quit against Salido.
Great article … except that other great fighter with real heart and real guts DON’T CHEAT, DON’T FIGHT SMALLER GUYS, AND DON’T QUIT.Posted June 19, 2013 8:29 pm