IMO Brewer was underrated during his title run and is one of the forgotten gems of the late 90s. That German robbery is all that prevented him from holding a title for a longer run. I wasn’t convinced that Calzaghe was a top fighter till he beat Brewer.Posted May 28, 2013 8:23 pm
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Charles is aight. Funny, of his most excellent choices for great fights made no mention of Mayweather or the sisters. Even though the less knowledgeable fans think they are GOAT’s, none of them have had a performance that would even be considered for the top 100 greatest fights of all time…Posted May 28, 2013 8:05 pm
hi everyone. i love chukyPosted May 28, 2013 5:30 pm
Good to see Charles Brewer getting some props. He was one of my favorite boxers in his day. Still have a few of his fights on VHS. One day I’ll get them converted to DVD.Posted May 28, 2013 5:26 pm
Yep, Calzaghe avoided Tarver – who had just lost to Hopkins. He avoided Froch – who at the very peak of his powers went on to lose to a faded, inactive version of Kessler. And Calzaghe also avoided Dawson – who shortly after lost to Pascal – who immediately afterwards lost to an even older Hopkins. …. and to cap it all off, Calzaghe avoided these three fighters to sneak off and face a prime Mikkel Kessler in front of 50,000 fans, to face the linear Light Heavy Champ Hopkins in Vegas to become a double Ring Champ himself, and the legendary RJJ in MSG. When clearly he should have faced Froch in Nottingham – the cobra, who back, had just had his greatest victories, a life and death struggle with Magee, and stoppage of the shell of Reid. Wow, what a ducker!Posted May 28, 2013 2:13 pm
“Calzaghe ducked a very young undefeated Froch in favor of fighting a cherry-pick like Peter Manfredo… ” Nope.. Wrong again TARK.. Calzaghe was due to fight his mandatory IBF challenger Robert Stieglitz, but HBO refused to screen the fight unless Calzaghe fought Contender star Manfredo Jr instead. So Calzaghe had to drop the IBF belt he had just won off Lacy.. Then after that fight Calzaghe fought the WBC and WBA champion Kessler.. Then Hopkins.Posted May 28, 2013 1:07 pm
Calzaghe ducked a very young undefeated Froch in favor of fighting a cherry-pick like Peter Manfredo… I hate this type of cherry-picking to avoid a defeat at any cost.. Calzaghe-Froch was the biggest fight in England and Joe chickened out of a fight I really wanted to see.. Add to that Froch called Joe out repeatedly and actually beat Kessler twice in the minds of many — the first time going into the fight injured and getting robbed in Denmark with an outrageous referee who kept running in to break up non-clinches when Kessler was in trouble.
Calzaghe also avoided Dawson and Tarver, and their styles would have been very, very tough for him — as would Froch’s. I also rank Froch above Calzaghe. Not that he couldn’t have beaten him. But Froch was never given the chance to prove he could score the upset.Posted May 28, 2013 11:05 am
…to be fair he has limited his list to post war fighters, so can be excused of the Wilde omission. But still, ranking a two division linear champ below a one division alphabet champ is perplexing. It could be a wind up job, but I doubt it, because there’s a lot more people who will believe it face value than will be wound up by it! Casual fans have a fickle, out with the old, in with the new type of attitude. And Jeff has just reinforced that in their minds. A win over a 49 year old Hops and Froch will surely be better than Lewis…followed by a win over SOG, will probably make him greater than Ray Robinson in the eyes of Powell.Posted May 28, 2013 9:39 am
Kev …Yep. He may just be just trying to provoke a reaction but to exclude Jimmy Wilde from the list, underlines his ignorance regarding boxing. It’s very unfortunate for the sport of boxing in the UK that there’s a journalist like this covering these big fight stories. He has a very influential position, and for most casual fans, if it’s in the paper, it’s fact. I hope Slater is at the front of the queue for Jeff Powell’s job. Really, I do!Posted May 28, 2013 9:13 am
I just read this article, you’re right it is a shocker, beyond.
Benn at 4 wtf, Froch at 5, higher than Calzaghe at 6.
I nearly fell off my chair reading this.
How does a number 2 in the division that’s never been no:1 outrank a guy that was undisputed two weight champ with a legend on his record at LHW in America.
Name me a victory on Froch’s record as good as that?
When did Froch ever step up to LHW and get a win in America against a legend.
A legend that has since gone on to school Pavlik, Pascal and Cloud.
Name me a victory at SMW as good as a prime undefeated Kessler on Froch’s record?
Froch is ‘0’ with a shopworn Kessler – lost one won one.
Froch has decent opponents in a row when you look at Calzaghe’s he has as many but spread out and A+ in Hopkins at at different weight and undefeated.
Shocking – how can you rate a one divsison alphabet champ that got owned by Andre Ward above a Ring Mag champ at 2 weights. Simply put Calzaghe shoul be no:1 post war.
Worst of all though – no Jimmy Wilde not there (undoubtedly should be no:1 on the list) , Freddie Welsh, Jim Driscoll, Ted Kid Lewis would all make my top 6.
Clearly he doesn’t have a clue what he’s talking about.
He’s an embaressment to boxing journo’s.Posted May 28, 2013 8:32 am
AQUAMARINE …lol:)Posted May 28, 2013 7:16 am
Look at popkins having a nervous breakdown over calzaghe again!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAPosted May 28, 2013 7:07 am
How about Foster-Quarry? Mike was out for several minutes. And Marquez-Pacquiao IV.Posted May 27, 2013 5:54 pm
Jackson-Norris… I have Toney-Nunn twice.Posted May 27, 2013 5:51 pm
23 favorite punch outs: Matthysse-Olusegun… McCallum-Jackson… Holmes-Weaver… Garcia-Khan… Pavlik-Taylor 1… Donaire-Darchinyan… Martinez-Williams II… Castillo-Corrales 1… Mosley-Margarito… Toney-Nunn… Jackson-Graham… Holmes-Weaver… Duran-Lampkin… Haye-Chisora… Toney-Nunn… Barkley-Hearns 1… Nunn-Kalambay… Duran-DeJesus III… Valdez-Brisco 1… Monzon-Benvenuti 1… Jackson-Norris… Hopkins-Trinidad… Bradley-Provodnikov was not a punch out … but it was a blisteringly close escape from getting iced. That smile on Tim’s face said, “Whew… I made it.”Posted May 27, 2013 5:50 pm
I tried to respond to the Mail article in their comments section pointing out a few home truths along the way. It appears that they’re not interested in posting them though. Still, whilst digesting Powell’s ill-informed drivel I remembered a great quote from Hugh MacIlvanney (a real boxing writer) about Joe Bugner – “the physique of a greek statue but with fewer moves”. Quality stuff.Posted May 27, 2013 4:46 pm
Just read the Mail article Popkins. Ought to have been entitled “10 reasons why Jeff Powell can’t get a job on a quality newspaper”.Posted May 27, 2013 3:07 pm
I read that about Froch and Calzaghe also, I did smile and wonder what the writer might have been smoking.Posted May 27, 2013 2:40 pm
In hindsight, it turns out Calzaghe was never really that good. He was protected. And there’s no way he could have beaten the superior 2013 version of Kessler, let alone Froch’s next blockbuster opponent – a 49 year old Hopkins. Seriously, I read it in the UK’s Daily Mail today – Froch is Britain’s No.5 best fighter of all time, and Calzaghe is No.6. And if it’s in the paper it must be true.Posted May 27, 2013 2:19 pm
…and also on wikipedia, I’ve discovered that none of the other guys I mentioned were involved in a Showtime tournament so they could not have possibly been stars of the sport, making the boxers themselves substandard. And it turns out, the presence of some volacnic ash in the run up to the first Kessler/Froch fight, later meant the result was reversed, and the otcome was called a No Contest, so Froch never really lost.Posted May 27, 2013 2:14 pm
Monkey…on second thoughts, no you’re right, I was being a bit naive. I checked on wikipedia, and Lacy was in fact only 5 foot 3 and had no previous amateur experience either. He was also partially sighted and he never knocked anyone out – they were all cut stoppages, so he had no power either.Posted May 27, 2013 2:08 pm
With JC in each of them, that’s easily enough fighters to fill TWO Super 6 tournaments…and still be undefeated. Holy smoke…I think Calzaghe was actually a good, no, great fighter. Maybe he, like Brewer, needs a little more credit??…Posted May 27, 2013 2:01 pm
Ok “far better” is an exaggeration but my point is he was a genuine SM who had plenty of fight still in him and was prepared to take on anyone. C’mom Popkins received/revisionist wisdom tells us that Lacy was in fact a one-legged, blind, toothless midget whose defeat by JC must be erased from all official records because it counts for nothing in retrospect. Lucian Bute on the other hand is probably the finest all round P4P boxer of the 21st century thus far…nurse, NURSE!!!Posted May 27, 2013 1:58 pm
…even a 2008 RJJ would have had a damn good chance against Abraham, Taylor and Green?…Posted May 27, 2013 1:56 pm
…a prime 2005-07 Kessler would surely have done pretty well too…Posted May 27, 2013 1:54 pm
…and Lacy (the pre-JC hammered version)…Posted May 27, 2013 1:49 pm
…and Bika…Posted May 27, 2013 1:47 pm
…and Hopkins…Posted May 27, 2013 1:47 pm
…and Reid…Posted May 27, 2013 1:47 pm
…and Eubank…Posted May 27, 2013 1:46 pm
….and Sheika…Posted May 27, 2013 1:44 pm
…and Woodhall…Posted May 27, 2013 1:44 pm
In fact, Byron Mitchell could easily have held his own in the Super 6 too…Posted May 27, 2013 1:44 pm
Charles Brewer was a very underrated champion, far better than the fighters mentioned by popkins, hold on a minute he couldn’t have been that good cos he was one of Calzaghe’s many soft opponents…rhubarb, rhubarb….Posted May 27, 2013 1:38 pm
pryor arguello 1Posted May 27, 2013 1:38 pm
Brewer was a great fighter to watch. IBF champ and robbed twice against Ottke in Germany. It’s a shame Brewer wasn’t around today, as he would have definitely been worthy of a place in the Super 6 tournament, it would have made him a bigger star for sure. I bet “The hatchett” could have easily held his own with Super 6 fighters like middleweights Taylor and Abraham, and the likes of Green and and an oldie like Johnson.Posted May 27, 2013 1:30 pm
good list and i also think that hagler VS hearns is the best fight ever and hagler is my All Times favorite fighter
Very good value for money fighter. Good championPosted May 27, 2013 1:10 pm