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Hidalgo

“Martinez ran because he was outgunned due to his Power hand being broken. ” So we’ve been told.

Posted April 30, 2013 9:35 pm 


Hidalgo

“conspiracies?” SRedmond, you really got me confused with someone else. You’re too young to have Alzheimer’s aren’t you?

Posted April 30, 2013 9:33 pm 


JOHN

Based on what ? Getting punched in the face all night and “taking it”? that’s all well and good but you have to hit back too. RICKY’S head still isn’t clear after Manny starched him !

Posted April 30, 2013 4:07 pm 


Maimutica

I had it by 1 point for Martinez. If the 2nd knockdown were counted, I’d have it a draw. Murray didn’t get robbed.

Posted April 30, 2013 1:39 pm 


SREDMOND

Martinez was on the same “bicycle” against Pavlik and Wiliams the first fight he is a fighter who uses the WHOLE ring and his soccer background has been discussed probably 10X by Jim Lampley… Murray’s sporadic offense did NOT win the day and Murray himself did not have and issue with the decision, he realized he did NOT close the show and that he came up short in Martinez hometown… Better luck next time Murray, maybe you and Josh Clottey will learn that hoping the judges will see it your way is very different from FORCING the judges to see it your way…. Whining about SMALL compubox disparities is the tactic of guys who cannot accept a close loss… If things are GROSSLY out of whack then its worth a discussion but Murray lost and life goes on…

Posted April 30, 2013 6:33 am 


SREDMOND

Hidalgo, we KNOW you are NOT rational a monument to emotions and conspiracies whenever the spirit moves you man… Your style has been duly noted… Sorry Bro!

Posted April 30, 2013 6:29 am 


Rich

Supreme Tennis Court……You are quite right in your glib statement that there are lies,misconceptions and myths on here…..most are emanating from you……How about that bet……

Posted April 30, 2013 3:12 am 


Farmboxer

brits are the biggest whiners and excuse makers in boxing.

Posted April 30, 2013 12:50 am 


Big Al

There’s no excuses in boxing. Take a loss and come back next time.

Posted April 30, 2013 12:09 am 


CORRECTAMUNDO

Martinez ran because he was outgunned due to his Power hand being broken. Just as a robber runs when he’s out of BULLETS.

Posted April 29, 2013 11:21 pm 


Hidalgo

“Murray landed more and harder punches than Martinez, and scored 2 knockdowns… ” Once Murray started consistently connecting with Sergio’s face, he had Martinez on his bicycle. I’ve watched enough Martinez fights to know when Sergio is truly fighting in his style or using his style to disguise his running. Martinez ran in this championship fight because Murray was too effective, too strong, and consistently hurting Sergio. I now turn the floor over to demi-god SRedmond.

Posted April 29, 2013 11:09 pm 


Hidalgo

“Murray definitely connected on the missed knockdown and Boxing needs instant replay.” Tark, I thought the replay showed that Martinez slipped.

Posted April 29, 2013 11:07 pm 


Hidalgo

“This is the problem with CLOSE shaves they always produce this type of over the top banter and people discussing robberies… ” Yes, God help us if anyone but SRedmond is rational, correct, or has a more valid opinion than him.

Posted April 29, 2013 11:05 pm 


Hidalgo

“Martinez did NOT run…” YES, he did. Try to blanket it with whatever kind of rhetoric you want SRedmond, but Martinez clearly ran. Not every round but he did. Murray was hurting him. Martinez ran.

Posted April 29, 2013 11:01 pm 


dwc

Murray should have gotten the win…but this fight will set him up nice for a big pay day top fight or rematch…

Posted April 29, 2013 6:59 pm 


mayweather86

Murray indeed. Had him by 2 points on my card

Posted April 29, 2013 6:33 pm 


tim zawa

Martinez seemed to be gazed after the first round, very strange, knowing him, however he perhaps broke his hand, his body language was the one of a guy not in shape (too much emotions?). Judges could have given the fight to Murray, who did better but beating the champ in his hometown requires maybe more…
Martinez looks like ugly, time to back to fondementals or retire.
Maybe a rematch ?

Posted April 29, 2013 6:17 pm 


TARK

Murray landed more and harder punches than Martinez, and scored 2 knockdowns… Murray definitely connected on the missed knockdown and Boxing needs instant replay. Scoring just the first knockdown I had Murray winning 114-113. That’s not enough. In Buenos Aires he’d have to objectively win by 5 points to be awarded a split decision. Even if the judges are completely neutral—and fat chance of that happening—40,000 fans roaring every time a punch hits your gloves, and ignoring your landed punches, affects them. The fans even affect the TV commentators and ringside reporters. We’re all human beings and human emotion sways us.

Murray and Trout weren’t born yesterday. They knew wouldn’t they wouldn’t get decisions in Buenos Aires or San Antonio unless they won big. Murray said so. Trout probably thought he beat Canelo, but you can either be gracious in defeat or you can grump like Khan, which makes you look ordinary. Murray said, “Boxing is not going to change during my career. I’ve pretty much accepted that.”

Posted April 29, 2013 5:32 pm 


Patrick2

SREDMOND nails it, again — thanks for explaining it — now if only the complainers will comprehend it.

Posted April 29, 2013 5:30 pm 


FEARS

I had Maravilla winning 115-112. Murray did absolutely nothing during the whole first half of the fight. He then became competitive in the second half, but not dominant as I hear some people implying here. Martinez pressed the action for most of the fight and landed way more shots. I do admit that Murray should’ve been awarded 2 knockdowns, but he still would’ve lost on my card 114-112. Maybe he will learn that next time he gets a shot like that he’d better go balls to the walls!

Posted April 29, 2013 4:55 pm 


SREDMOND

Thanks Limejay, I agree had circumstances been reversed then Martinez efforts would have placed him in the SAME position that Murray was in ie being Lineal Champ, having multiple defenses and being regarded as P4P fighter fighting in front of 45,000 fans in your home country… But alas that was obviously NOT the case, so if YOU can see the bout as Murray by ONE single point its NOT hard to see how a judge who disagrees would see it in Martinez favor this is NOT an exact science… But I certainly get your drift!

Posted April 29, 2013 4:52 pm 


malachi

of course lettermanhad martinez,martinez is their fighter promotion means everything in any form of the word,letterman was just promoting from the booth…yezzzir!!

Posted April 29, 2013 4:01 pm 


The Mad Scientist

Luis Callazo should have been given decision against Ricky Hatton

Posted April 29, 2013 3:46 pm 


bugged

i bet martinez didnt feel like he won the fight when he woke up sore all over the next morning! murray will be fine though just sore forearms from blocking all those flashy jabs!

Posted April 29, 2013 3:37 pm 


malachi

i actually hope they give murray a rematch but you know thats not happening but i would like to see Martinez get big money fights from now on cause he paid his dues,its tiime to hang em up champ cause you seem to be getting hit too much and that long term damage is irreversible ,get that big money and pull out soon….yezzzir!

Posted April 29, 2013 3:02 pm 


Titopa

Supreme Court – When did I “approve” of an “unknown entity”?? I’m not Martinez’s manager nor am I his matchmaker…I’m a boxing fan, just like you, I would LOVE for Martinez to fight those fighters you mentioned, I’m not afraid of one of my favorite fighters (Martinez) losing, I want him to fight the best. You make it seem like I’m in charge of his career….all I do is state the TRUTH, which is GGG has ZERO wins against TOP rated middleweights, it’s not his fault, but it’s still a fact. Murray didn’t deserve the shot either, it is what it is.

Posted April 29, 2013 3:00 pm 


bugged

murray won the fight in my book, it was close because he was the away fighter and martinez was throwing lots of blocked shots, going into the last round i felt he had to win it to be sure of sucsess but even if he had won the last 2 rounds he would still have lost!! martinez looked shot to me next tough fight he is gonna lose for sure.

Posted April 29, 2013 2:56 pm 


malachi

i totally agree with Hatton

Posted April 29, 2013 2:41 pm 


Neil (Pomy)

annoying isnt it

Posted April 29, 2013 2:30 pm 


hecdog

I hope the ESB website guys aren’t sitting there laughing their asses off as I type two long paragraphs only to see the comment”You’re typing too fast slow down” BS! Come on, I just wasted valuable insightful information. ESB, get your BS together and fix this.

Posted April 29, 2013 2:15 pm 


Tomato Can

I can see why Murray and all of England would think he should have won the fight. It was he who did the most damage,,, That being said, I had Martinez up by one round without scoring the second knockdown. I’m still scratching my head as to why Martinez is considered a top p4p fighter. He’s never been that to me. That’s just my opinion though.

Posted April 29, 2013 2:02 pm 


Textbook Hayelord

I disagree, i had the fight level after round ten. Murray just did not press the issue in the final two rounds and lost rds 11 and 12.

Posted April 29, 2013 1:49 pm 


Supreme Court

All the FACTS point toward Murray: fight statistics, damage on the opponent, knock downs….
Yet, those who make a living misleading, lying, scheming would like to spin on the account that Murray did not do enough….
GTHOH, brood of fake boxing fans!

Posted April 29, 2013 1:07 pm 


Supreme Court

TITOPA: you are a laughable stock here, for you are one of those who had put Martinez under the Protection Program. You had been dismissing GGG and Peter Quillin stating openly they dont deserve a “shot” at Martinez, while approving him fighting “unknown entities”!
That alone, reveals a lot about yourself:
You are a fake boxing fan, and perhaps a dishonest persona as well.

Posted April 29, 2013 1:01 pm 


Limey jay

Sred….you my man are a top poster, I don’t always agree with you, but you always put forward a reasoned account of how you saw things, you are honest and without ego, for that I applaud you.
I saw this fight pretty much how you saw it, ( I just watched it again ) except I saw Murray win by a point, the last round was tight I could have scored it either way , but gave it to Martinez….even so I saw Murray win, and I get what you have said in earlier posts and agree, when fighting in someone else’s back yard you need to make it convincing, maybe Murray didn,t leave it all in the ring ,who knows.
I understand Murray himself said he thought maybe he didn,t do enough, that’s understandable, but I think when he watches back he will believe he did .
Had Murray been the champ and the fight happened in the UK then I think Murray would have got the win…….I am no Martinez hater ( I am a bit of a rarity on here as I don’t dislike any fighter) and was not a huge fan of Murray either ( his profile in the UK is not that big)
Obviously I am a Brit and would have liked to see my man win, but that was not the case and I have no beef with that , it’s how it is.
I do think that Martinez was there for the taking, and maybe if Murray had a bit more experience things might have been different.
If I were Martinez I would try to avoid golovkin as the guy looks a beast at the weight, and I think would take the belt from Martinez with room to spare.
Keep up the good posts mate, peace.

Posted April 29, 2013 12:56 pm 


Neil (Pomy)

… and as much as I like Martinez – he won only because he was on home soil.

Posted April 29, 2013 12:56 pm 


Supreme Court

All the fighters we have campaigned against turned out to be FAKE (J. Taylor; Pavlik; Bute, Pacquiao, Martinez).
They have already found an excuse, just like Bute during the S6, they say Martinez will be out the rest of the year. This a scheme aiming at letting the fierce dogs that are closing in, Quilin and GGG, neutralize each other….
Dear Martinez Falkland, your fate is no longer on your hands: you will be crushed like JT , Bute, and Many Chemical Pacquiao!

Posted April 29, 2013 12:55 pm 


Neil (Pomy)

There is such a thing as ‘victory-in-defeat’ … and this is a classic example. Murray can build on this.

Posted April 29, 2013 12:55 pm 


Titopa

Supreme Court – Murray lost the first 4 rounds in my eyes, and lost another 2-3 along the way….the 2nd knockdown WAS legit, but the ref didn’t see the punch land, I didn’t even see it land (I thought he missed) and I was watching it on TV, boxing doesn’t use instant replay, so you can’t use that as leverage. that’s why it was “ruled” a slip/fall. I scored it 114-113 for Martinez, was it close? Absolutely! Did Murray “clearly” win? NO. Did Martinez win convincingly? NO.

Posted April 29, 2013 12:53 pm 


Titopa

GhettoWizzard – I agree! He took some punishment and I truly feel that his days as a TOP P4P fighter are OVER….he’s getting hit much more and he seemed to have lost some of his pin point accuracy…credit to Murray for not allowing that, but the Martinez of 2 years ago would’ve MADE the openings and would’ve capitalized on them. I think that he’s just getting OLD.

Posted April 29, 2013 12:41 pm 


GhettoWizzard

I thought Murray pulled it off by a point, but I can see the agrument for a close Martinez win. Martinez is visibly on the decline at this point, and likely wont be back in the ring till next year. He has said himself that 2014 will likely be his last year, which is smart. But, if he isn’t matched carefully at this point, he will start to get beaten up. I don’t really want to criticize Martinez style, we all know his flaws…he just needs to acknowlege that a 40 year old can not fight like that and realize when its best to walk away because he will fall hard otherwise
.

Posted April 29, 2013 12:35 pm 


Titopa

SREDMOND – BOOM!! The judges don’t get to see Compubox numbers before making their decision, they use what we were born with, their TWO EYES, and like us and everyone watching ringside, you don’t (can’t, it’s impossible) see every punch that lands or every punch that misses…which is why it takes a competent judge to score a fight as fairly as humanly possible….I felt Martinez won, by a slim margin? YES, of course, it was VERY close, but Murray could’ve done better.

Posted April 29, 2013 12:32 pm 


SREDMOND

The BIGGEST reason guys turn to Compubox to sell a victory is that the fighter in question did NOT make a clear enough case in the actual ring… Compubox does NOT tell the story if it did it would be part of the official scoring or the guys running Compubox would tell us the winner…. Murray gave away the first 3 rounds which means he was in the HOLE to begin with, then the final impressions were of him LOSING the final 2 rounds which he pretty much conceded after the fight… Martinez is the lineal MW Champion fighting in his home country did Murray REALLY think Compubox was going to bail him out? When you look at the activity level you are FORCED to use this as gospel and an exact tool to justify that as the sole judge of the bout… 4 punches here, 4 there 7 connected blah blah blah…. Murray could have won that fight but he needed to let his damn hands go and he simply did not want to abandon that shell defense because Martinez has knocked out a SLEW of MW’s countering their aggression… Great strategy for staying in the bout, avoiding taking a bunch of big shots but it resulted in sporadic offense from Murray and the bout being LOST…. Challengers let your hands go or deal with the consequences, Joshua Clottey did the SAME damn thing against Cotto who he had a chance to defeat he discussed NOT wanting to fire against Pacquiao and taking his fcking time, well you ONLY have 36 minutes so there is NOT as much time to take as some of these dolts think….

Posted April 29, 2013 12:27 pm 


Prof Konje

Regardless of what happened in the Martinez-Murray fight, Martinez won and Murray gave an excellent account of himself. I would like to see Murray face others in that weight class and feel and that could probably beat any of them. I would really like to see Murray and Chavez Jr. (without the drugs). I do believe that Murray is someone who is a danger to anyone in the 160 lb. weight class.

Posted April 29, 2013 12:07 pm 


Gus

Murray did block most of Sergio,s punches but Sergio’s was throwing the punches. How cannon you credit a round to the fighter who is just concentrating on blocking and not give more credit to the fighter throwing the punches. Murray for the most part in the early rounds just fought from the peekaboo defense. He would have stopped Sergio in the late rounds if he fought him hard through the whole fight Murray will give any of the top middle a battle and beat them. He is underrated and very good.

Posted April 29, 2013 11:43 am 


ozzy

I just wonder whether Martin was given the credit for blocking Martinez’s punches in the early rounds because the crowd were cheering everything Martinez threw even though it was usually blocked or missed – I think the crowd could have influenced the judges there – the decision should have been much closer than what the judges gave. Anyway, I thought Martin did fantastic and hopefully he’ll get another chance to be a world champ against Geale, Quillen or Golovkin.

Posted April 29, 2013 11:36 am 


Titopa

meja – I too felt that the 2nd “knockdown” was legit, at first I thought that Murray’s right hand missed and Martinez simply fell due to squatting too far down, but the replay showed that Murray grazed the top/back of Martinez’s head….you can’t blame the ref though, it’s hard to see that stuff in the heat of the action, I was watching it on TV, which usually gives you the BEST angle and I still didn’t see the punch land, that’s why boxing needs instant replay, to avoid calls like this.

Posted April 29, 2013 11:31 am 


Titopa

If you say Martinez “ran”, then you probably have NEVER seen him fight. It was close, this was NO robbery, c’mon, we all know when the fight is very close (as this one was) they usually give it to the champ….and then they were in Argentina? Duh!

Posted April 29, 2013 11:27 am 


SREDMOND

Martinez did NOT run thats crazy he always fights in a mobile fashion whats new… Murray showed a shell defense and he was accurate when opening presented themselves… He failed himself because like a Joshua Clottey instead of pressing his advantages and taking risks he kept waiting for openings instead of making them… The fact that Martinez pressed the action in the final 2 rounds is exactly the gear these younger fighters often lack… They want to win without stretching themselves, Murray could have won that bout but he should have taken a page out of Stivernes book in the final rounds and fought like he REALLY wanted to be MW Champion… Martinez did it the night he fought and defeated Kelly Pavlik, he attacked and attacked shredding Pavliks face in the process…

Posted April 29, 2013 11:07 am 


Patrick2

Murray fought well enough, but he was way too cautious and didn’t let his hands go when he should have — like right after he put Martieniz down those TWO times. Yes, it was a close fight, but Murray just lacked that killer instinct — because I’m convinced he could have stopped Sergio. As for Murray being the best MW in Britain, that’s a stretch. Murray fought a broken-up, post-Chavez Jr Martinez. Both Macklin and Barker fought the Martinez who has been dominated at MW for the past few years. I say both Macklin and Barker would easily defeat Murray.

Posted April 29, 2013 10:52 am 


Hidalgo

At the very least, Murray exposed the fact that Sergio Martinez is in his waning years as a boxer. Martinez ran for much of the fight. All he could land was flicking blows. Murray clearly had him hurt on at least two occasions, on one of which Martinez went down. But sorry Ricky, the second “down” was indeed a slip on Martinez’s part. But Murry was walking through everything Martinez had. I think it’s time for Martinez to retire. So do a lot of other people.

Posted April 29, 2013 10:44 am 


meja

Murray won this fight with out, it was a joke that he didn’t get the second knock down as it was 100% legit. I had the fight 115 to 113 for Muarray

Posted April 29, 2013 10:39 am 


Jake Lead Rights

Murry foght a very good fight but jst didnt do enough to win the fight. he took the middle rouds but didnt finish. To beat a champion you have to win those championship rounds. Murry needs to take those last rounds. The same thing happened to Sergio against Paul Williams in the first fight and with Kermit Cintron.

Posted April 29, 2013 10:11 am 


Exiled Yank

I missed this one, but saw the decision and the announcers seemed to think Murry should have won. I will have to look it up and watch it.

Posted April 29, 2013 10:02 am 


Mick the Marmalizer

EBU titlest Max Bursak would get schooled by the top 4 UK fighters @ 160Lb. Murray, Barker, Macklin & B.J.Saunders would all take him out with ease. With Martin, Darren & Matthew all chasing bigger fish hopefully B.J.S gets a crack at him this year.

Posted April 29, 2013 9:55 am 


SREDMOND

Murray fought well but he was too economical I am frankly tired of challengers NOT leaving it all on the table then complaining when the judges just don’t hand them the Champs belt…If you want to gamble with the judges in anothers mans hometown so be it…. Murray was CLASSY in defeat and admitted he fell short, he gave away the first 3 rounds pretty much then lost the last 2 (Championship Rounds) that left him having to win ALL the middle rounds which is a daunting task and easily allows for Martinez to bag 2 of them which gives him the win….Martinez did NOT look good during that bout, I am not sure what the future holds for him at this point…

Posted April 29, 2013 9:50 am 


Anonymous

He came damn close but, Martinez took the last 2 rounds.

Posted April 29, 2013 9:46 am 


Oz

Respect to Murray fought an excellent fight. He deserved it IMO.

Posted April 29, 2013 9:37 am 


wearerofallthebelts

Murray did well but failed to capitalize on any of the momentum he created. He let Martinez take the final two rounds and even Murray himself admitted that after the fight. The guy just can’t get into higher gears when he needs it most. Good fight, good fighter but he blew it. Martinez deserved the win sorry Ricky Hatton you’re wrong.

Posted April 29, 2013 9:24 am 



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