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vicfig

@Ray A can feel the jealousy. You like mexico so much and hate US or Puerto Rico go back to Mexico and use Mexico currency and live in the harsh conditions the Mexican government has porvided for your people. Pride is one thing, but tearing down another country is why this place is jack up, and that is to inculde mexico.

Posted April 28, 2013 1:15 pm 


vicfig

Cotto would be a good fight with Canelo. Cotto would need hiring his uncle back. They were a dominate team, when they were together. With his uncle he will be back top and no doubt champion again. He only suffered 1 lost with uncle that was to a cheater with plaster. Cotto now fights with a void in his heart and I think reuniting with uncle is what he needs to finish off his career.

Posted April 28, 2013 1:04 pm 


TARK

Tumbo… You look for things to dis others with. You look hard. Some people just love to be hateful and obnoxious. I don’t know why. I don’t look at a Mexican any differently than an American or a German any differently than a Nigerian—however some people sport an appearance that is an asset to them. Let’s face it, everybody loves Jennifer Lopez and she looks very Mexican, but if she had red hair, blue eyes, and white skin, people who didn’t know her would assume she’s Anglo. What sets people apart, more than their appearance, are the things they say, communicate, and do. Some people love to hate and put others down, mistakenly believing that they’re elevating themselves. Some people do everything they can to advance the future prospects of their neighbors, their city, their state, their country, the world at large, and everybody in it. Everyone should follow their example.

Posted April 26, 2013 3:40 pm 


Ray

PE- Puerto Rico is practically OWNED by the US in case you didnt know that. And that makes you proud to be Puerto Rican? You might as well say your American. Puerto Rico doesnt exist. Thats like saying my country is Hawaii or Alaska…lol So where are you from again??

Posted April 26, 2013 11:39 am 


Ray

Puerto Rico’s government is control 100% by Whites in the White house.

Posted April 26, 2013 11:26 am 


Public Enemy

KKK in Mexico = their 10% Whites who control all in Mexico.. while the Mulatos and Indians live in squallers… risking their lives to swim across the River Grand, packed in trucks like sardines to get to the USA.. The Country who Kicked their ASSES and took 1/3 of their Country in the Mex American War… fkers are a mess…

Posted April 26, 2013 10:56 am 


Public Enemy

This is why all the Hype about their White, Red Haired Freckle faced Canelo.. Their version of the Great White Hope, who Tumbo said is of Irish Decent.. LOL.. yeap a true Mexican indeed…

Posted April 26, 2013 10:54 am 


Public Enemy

No Such thing as the Mexican Race. Total nonsense… You got a huge indigenous population of Native Indians who now speak the language of their Conquerers, the Spanish.. about 50%, another 40% Mixed Muts of Indians, Spanish decent, their version of Mulatos and about 10% Europeans that basically control the Country like South African Aparthied Government.. You see it in their Soap operas where the Whites are portrayed as the Rich and Wealthy and the Indians and Mulatos are always portrayed as lower class Servants.. This is why so many Mexican Mulatos and Indians have fled to the USA to leech off of our system.

Posted April 26, 2013 10:53 am 


te tumbo

“. . . doesn’t make him any less Mexican” followed by his family members “look more Mexican” is the bi-polar statements that you can’t reconcile, i.e., if they have the same parents, how can one be more or less Mexican than the next? they are all equally Mexican and members of the same working class. recessive gene and all. instead of the middle class that Barrera emerged from despite looking “more Mexican(?). it’s a prejudice and stereotype designed to compromise the integrity of the Mexican identity. it’s also evidence of that laborious gringo obsession with subjecting everyone to a racial breakdown but following a win both Marquez and Canelo declare “Arriba Mexico!” with equal pride and ownership.

Posted April 26, 2013 4:21 am 


TARK

I don’t know… Several boxers who told me they were of Mexican extraction, whom I’ve known personally, have had red hair and freckles… Not very many who were well known—but Danny “little Red” Lopez and his brother Ernie “Indian Red” Lopez were very famous boxers. They had Native-American/Mexican bloodlines and red hair and freckles. I believe red hair and freckles even occurs with people who are mostly African-American on occasion—although not as frequent as it happens in Mexicans. Canelo has some facial and physical characteristics of many of his family members, who look more Mexican. Many times a recessive gene will skip 15 generations and come out in some member of the family. Talk to a professional geneticist. It happens. I guess God didn’t want to do a cookie cutter job on us. We’re all His creation.

Posted April 25, 2013 2:08 pm 


TARK

Now Public Enemy isn’t acting very nice at the moment… There’s no excuse for prejudice or bombastic race hatred type rhetoric.

Posted April 25, 2013 11:31 am 


TARK

Sred…. I never said Cotto was “saintly.” Don’t put words in my mouth. Being a saint is a few steps up from being a nice guy. Being a nasty person is a few steps down from it. Most people who know Cotto would vouch for the fact that he’s a nice guy, in the ring and out. Even Floyd likes Cotto. in the case where he fouled Judah? That wasn’t very nice, but he got point deducted for it … Served him right too.

Posted April 25, 2013 11:20 am 


SREDMOND

Guys are still stealing screen names in 2013 when they can’t sell a point, the weaker minds in ESB never learn combat skills SMH!

Posted April 25, 2013 7:56 am 


te tumbo

“but red hair, freckles, and an Irish kid’s face make up for a lot of ferocity” (lol) TARK, you seem to still be having trouble grasping the true melting-pot that is Mexico. in fact, not so long ago, DLH was “white” in your eyes. apparently, in your limited perspective, if we don’t look like Ponce De Leon, we’re not Mexican. even though there’s a 50-50 shot that Canelo may have a kid that looks just like Ponce De Leon. that’s what it means to be Mexican. otherwise, there would be more than One redhead among the six Alvarez brothers. moreover, redheads are rare, Period. even in Scotland or Ireland. you need to stretch your brain beyond the ugly-American cell it’s confined in. there are Mexicans who would sock you in the face if you tried to classiify them as something less than Mexican. after all, Obama is more “irish” than Canelo. he can trace his roots back to europe. Canelo has never even tried because being Mexican is good enough and i’m certain that being redhead wasn’t an advantage. he’s a f’n boxer for chrissakes(?!). Barrera is of a higher class than Canelo. is he Mexican enough for you?

Posted April 25, 2013 7:28 am 


TARK

Ernie the Enema Schnozzle is at it again… Go back to your enema snukin’, fort snorffin’, and licking those dirty shorts you steal in the laundry room… That’s what you’re good at.

Posted April 25, 2013 12:50 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

LMAO! Head troll calling someone else a troll, douchenozzle…

Posted April 25, 2013 12:30 am 


TARK

That’s putting it mildly Sredmond Troll…

Posted April 25, 2013 12:14 am 


SREDMOND

Tark you called me an idiot. i can tell you dont care what i think. :(

Posted April 24, 2013 11:32 pm 


TARK

Cotto smashed Judah in the nuts only twice… Not “I don’t know how many times.” You do know how many times if you can count to two (2).. Guerrero fouled Berto 100 times … and then threw 20 punches AFTER the final bell ended the fight. It was ringing like a 5 alarm fire because Robert kept throwing until Andre walked away … Guerrero is nasty, Cotto is nice. Two fouls vs 150.

Posted April 24, 2013 11:15 pm 


SREDMOND

Nobody cares what i think apparently. is that the way it is?

Posted April 24, 2013 10:57 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, again your blind how is Cotto “super nice” he’s one of my favorites but he smashed Judah in the nuts I don’t know how many times, body slammed Clottey and picked up
Mayweather… Miguel knows how to okay rough, as for Gurrero he will find Mayweather far more crafty than Berto… Taunts are a waste of time he better pray to land something big..

Posted April 24, 2013 10:51 pm 


SREDMOND

What fight were you watching ?? Trout tried to push the issue and did not get the job done, just like Canelo being unable to put him down again or out..

Posted April 24, 2013 10:46 pm 


SREDMOND

No one can tell what Canelos gonna be at 22 he just won his first important fight, we hav seen this 100 times before… Duran is a beast forged in many fires and an Austin Trout equivalent would not make it to the top of his ledger. Get real

Posted April 24, 2013 10:43 pm 


SREDMOND

Te Tumbo, I’m not duped by announcers or you I happen to agree that Triut fight back well and Canelo was unable to capitalize in his advantage nor duplicate it.. Your thoughts on Canelos performance are no surprise.. I had him winning and I favored him in the bout, but Canelo didn’t mop the floor with him it was a good fight..

Posted April 24, 2013 10:39 pm 


TARK

Tumbo…. Maybe after Canelo has 15 championship fights he’ll be able to box like the Duran of Leonard-Duran I… Canelo is more dedicated than Duran and more consistent with his diet and training schedule. He’s a lot bigger and stronger. He’s a lot more polite and less arrogant than Duran. Right now he might be a little ahead of the 20-year-old Duran who destroyed Ken Buchanan, a boxer who was roughly equivalent to Trout in skill and punching power. He’s not nearly as ferocious or electric as that Duran, who tore after Buchanan like he slapped his mama … but red hair, freckles, and an Irish kid’s face make up for a lot of ferocity.

Posted April 24, 2013 10:36 pm 


SREDMOND

Wow now we have losers stealing screen names ??? You can NEVER Capture my tone, style and swag… The short blurbs are not even my forte

Posted April 24, 2013 10:36 pm 


SREDMOND

Let me get this strait, are you reffering to bears as a multiposting troll?

Posted April 24, 2013 10:25 pm 


te tumbo

“you better not be reffering to bears like that te tumbo or else” easy there multiposting troll. i don’t take any lip from multiposting trolls. this must be your first barbecue around here but it’s not mine. i roast’em like marshmallows around here. “you better ax somebody” before you join previous victim PE in utter imbecility.

Posted April 24, 2013 10:16 pm 


te tumbo

there was nothing compelling about Trout’s performance to mandate a rematch but there was enough to place him at #2 behind Canelo. in fact, i’m still perplexed at the lack of clamoring for a Trout v. Lara or Vanes or Thurman matchup? Trout has definitely earned that much and a convincing win v. any of those guys would once again place Trout in Canelo’s face. moreso than following his win v. Cotto. Canelo has earned the right to mop-up what’s left of Cotto and i’m confident he would do so in DEVASTATING fashion.

Posted April 24, 2013 10:00 pm 


TARK

DB… Leonard vs Duran 1 was a 15-round battle of attrition… Both fighters absorbed a ton of punches and fought a pitched battle. It was one of the greatest fights of all time. They’re 2nd fight stank the joint out and Duran quit … Canelo-Trout was no Leonard-Duran I – not even close. Canelo-Trout was a sparring match for most of the fight. Both fighters were super cautious and threw from a mile away … Leonard and Duran went head-to-head and banged away for the most part. Leonard admitted he fought a stupid fight. Duran did a good job of boxing in the 10 seconds before he nailed Leonard with a stupendous left hook in the 2nd round. He set Ray up like a master. That turned the fight his way.

Posted April 24, 2013 9:55 pm 


SREDMOND

Of course im an idiot Tark. We’ve known this for how many years now?

Posted April 24, 2013 9:33 pm 


SREDMOND

you better not be reffering to bears like that te tumbo or else

Posted April 24, 2013 9:32 pm 


SREDMOND

Why do you think I was asking bears to expose himself to me? Its because I want that big killbossa sausage.

Posted April 24, 2013 9:24 pm 


te tumbo

(heavy sigh) i really do resent these multi-posting trolls . . . fight-fans are talking Here?!?

Posted April 24, 2013 9:24 pm 


te tumbo

“the announcers discussed how Trout won most of the rest of the round whic was the truth…”(?!?). i’m incredulous that you were duped by the commentators instead of actually believing your own eyes. otherwise, watch that round again. Trout came back strong but Canelo was waiting and continued to pound him with power shots. he was even loading and reloading with his power right in an attempt to end matters if Trout got too reckless but neither fighter did. the respect was mutual but only Canelo carried the obvious potential of ending the bout with a single punch.

Posted April 24, 2013 9:23 pm 


SREDMOND

I am a girl. Girls like boxing too you know.

Posted April 24, 2013 9:22 pm 


SREDMOND

Wow Tark you’re a master tactician!! After all these years Robert Gurrero is gonna taunt Mayweather into losing? Genius Idea you’re due for another ESB vacation

Posted April 24, 2013 9:18 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, please Canelo could not put Trout away and he had a TON of time left in the round, your KO thesis is another fantasy that always occurs in defiance of the actual bout where Canelo put Trout down once then the announcers discussed how Trout won most of the rest of the round whic was the truth… He had him hurt but OF COURSE in Bears world we have to wait another fight to see him stopped… What happened to the 6 rounds he had left to finish Trout? Most of 7,8,9,10,11, and 12…, he couldn’t do it

Posted April 24, 2013 9:17 pm 


TARK

Chavez Jr has loads of natural talent and one of the best chins I’ve ever seen at middleweight… But he doesn’t have a jab.. He doesn’t have a versatile stance.. He doesn’t have a quick right counter.. He doesn’t defend very well for a guy with 47 fights.. He has a lot to learn..

He might beat the robotic Kessler, that would be close.. The other top Super Middleweights wouldn’t be particularly great matchups for him: Froch, Dirrell, Rodriguez, Stevenson etc. would probably pop the crap out of him. But he’s so tough he’d make it interesting with Stevenson.

Posted April 24, 2013 8:53 pm 


BEARS

*and the fix is in

Posted April 24, 2013 8:48 pm 


BEARS

yeah unless its a scripted fix and the fix in.

Posted April 24, 2013 8:48 pm 


TARK

I was thinking the other day that his people might think this is a viable strategy for Robert Guerrero to try on Floyd Mayweather… He’s a very tough man.. He can absorb a ton of punishment… He might taunt Floyd and keep telling him he punches like a girl.. Try to make Floyd miss punches and get him flustered by continuously talking at him.. When he gets the opportunity rough Floyd up in the clinches like he did Berto — and get him angry so he’ll expend more energy.. He might think with Floyd’s 36-year-old legs he might be able to attack him full bore by the 11th or 12th … I don’t think that would work, but you know Robert’s going to have something devious up his sleeve. He’s going to try anything, and he knows he’s not going to outbox Floyd.

Posted April 24, 2013 8:40 pm 


BEARS

frochs on a bit of a mean streak….cant wait for the froch vs kessler rematch.

Posted April 24, 2013 8:33 pm 


te tumbo

“Chavez Jr does it all the time and still had enough in the Tank to have Martinez in bad trouble during round 12…” because he’s a naturally big young dude whose body still has the resilience of a fresh, young fighter. i seriously doubt that Chavez Jr. will be able to pull off that trick even one single time more. however, let’s face it, Chavez Jr. had NO business at 168lbs while Ward was regulating up there. however, there is a small window of opportunity now that Ward has been temporarily sidelined and i like a fully rehydrated Jr’s. chances v. the likes of Froch, Bute, Abraham, and maybe even Kessler. none of these guys are prime and their styles will provide Jr. with plenty of opportunities to exchange, which is ultimately is strong suit. but he’ll have to vacate the premises as soon as Ward returns to reclaim his turf. at which point, 175lbs may provide ripe pickings for Jr. to collect a couple more straps and paydays. not unlike the hate heaped on Canelo, i disagree with the severe underestimation of Chavez Jr. particularly at a higher weight. i definitely favor him over the likes of Froch or Bute and even Kessler may be too conventional to avoid absorbing some serious punishment from Chavez Jr.

Posted April 24, 2013 8:27 pm 


TARK

Sred… Chavez Jr really does look drained at his weigh-ins… Sure he attacked an injured Mertinez in the 12th round — but that was after not doing a damned thing for 12 rounds except taking punches… I believe that’s what Chavez’s game plan was … They probably told him, “Martinez is a real old old coot who uses his legs one Hell of a lot, and is very active.. Let him wear himself out with footwork and throwing punches for 12 rounds.. You’re a great big, young, strong kid … let him get super tired and get him in the 12th.” What else could they do? They sure as hell couldn’t outbox or out-punch Martinez … It was a strategy effectively executed by Mike Weaver vs John Tate — and tried by Joshua Clottey vs Manny Pacquiao and Oscar Bonavena vs Joe Frazier. You save up all your energy and then go balls out after a fatigued fighter, because you can’t beat him any other way.

Posted April 24, 2013 8:23 pm 


BEARS

canelo would win a rematch with trout and potentially knock him out. already was the first to drop him. guess the kid found his man strength huh trout? dropped you for the first time and made you do the harlem shuffle. LOL

Posted April 24, 2013 7:45 pm 


BEARS

honestly, your a child. read my posts below on this very thread. we discussed the possiblity of canelo facing cotto already. it’s like talking to a child. im done. your a mental midget

Posted April 24, 2013 7:43 pm 


SREDMOND

Chump!

Posted April 24, 2013 7:30 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, I retain perfectly that’s why I’m able to constantly remember your contradictions and mistakes ie you saying that “Canelo faced Cotto and Trout” HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA! That’s why I encourage you to talk like a dumb witness, you will slip up!

Posted April 24, 2013 7:25 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, if you think Trout looks like he had no shot against Canelo you’re crazy… A few adjustments or more of the left hand and he coulda been right there … Ringside they had the damn fight 1 point apart and numerous experts Rafael included saw it as CLOSE.. That’s not being smoked DOLT… When Mayweather beat Marquez 120-108 or whatever that’s a scenario where there’s no hope…You still think Vitali smoked Lewis somehow losing and booking 60 stitches in his face… You don’t know boxing worth a damn…

Posted April 24, 2013 7:22 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, please Chavez Jr does it all the time and still had enough in the Tank to have Martinez in bad trouble during round 12… Besides your giving your opinion via TV… You’re no Dr

Posted April 24, 2013 7:12 pm 


BEARS

i obviously know canelo hasnt fought cotto as i say below thats not neccessary on this very thread. are you that dense. try discussing boxing more than invectives. you make yourself look terrible man. you dont retain what you read very well clearly

Posted April 24, 2013 7:05 pm 


TARK

No… Not skeptical thay made weight… But I’m not sure about the pre-fight weight. It’s hard to put on 18 pounds and look that fresh, so they may have weighed into the ring donned up. If that’s what they really weighed, more power to them.

As for Bears thinking Canelo fought Cotto… I don’t think he did… You’ve made enough typos yourself to let that slide.

Posted April 24, 2013 7:02 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears aka Christodulo Trout did not get smoked you foolhe barely had a scratch and if Canelo had him so bad off why no finish ? He hurt him EARLY in round 7, never had him down again.. Canelo won but it was hardly a rout…Get real, Vitali beating on old dead Briggs was a “smoking” or even Adamek learn boxing… Dimwit!

Posted April 24, 2013 7:00 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, what’s their to be skeptical about no one needs nuclear physicist to give a guys weight it was not an issue during the bout and was reported in a matter of fact fashion… Why the conspiracy or disbelief both guys were in the same range… Give or take a pound Good Grief… Did they make weight it are you skeptical of that also?

Posted April 24, 2013 6:57 pm 


TARK

I remember seeing Hatton make 140 and you could count his ribs. He was about to pass out. I remember seeing Gregorio Peralta weigh-in for Willie Pastrano in their title fight and he looked like he was about to keel over.

Canelo and Trout both looked great for their weigh-in… That’s why I’m a little bit skeptical of the 172 pounds. Sometimes a commissioner or official comes into the dressing room when the fighter is all donned up in cup, gloves, and everything, and says, “Do you mind stepping on the scale for a second Mr. Alvarez? This has nothing to do with your official weight or anything like that. We just want to get an idea what you weigh going into the ring so we have an idea how much you guys are rehydrating.”

Most guys will step on the scale, but this is not mandatory. You can refuse to be weighed before a fight you like. And some guys do.

Posted April 24, 2013 6:41 pm 


BEARS

i meant cotto got smoked by trout and trout got smoked by canelo. and cotto did best against floyd. i was driving sorry for the confusion my nicca

Posted April 24, 2013 6:40 pm 


SREDMOND

Trout did not “utterly smoke” Cotto he clearly beat him.. Let me discuss some smokings where the guys own wife had no room to interpret Maywether vs Marquez, Gatti, Ortiz, Corrales, Manfedy, Hernandez… These are fights where the other combatant lost almost every single exchange…. Canelo did NOT produce that level of dominance against Trout and Trout did not produce it against Cotto… Add to that list Calzaghe vs Lacy, Pacquaio vs Hatton, Pacquaio vs De La Hoya, Pacquaio vs Margarito… All fights where a guy could have arguably lost every round… Learn boxing dik head…

Posted April 24, 2013 6:35 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, your life is about contradicting yourself you are pissed that Floyd is facing younger Guerrero who will be likely bigger than him, he’s taller and 7 years younger… But you’re all about Canelo who is 14 years younger and fight night at least 18-20 pounds heavier facing a guy YOU called declined? Dude I would never bet against Floyd unless it was at MW or in another couple years, but your standards are not remotely consistent… They will fight and Mayweather will leave Canelos face cut up while he plods around the ring…

Posted April 24, 2013 6:29 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears must have seen a streetlight between Canelo and Cotto HaHaHaHa what a FAKE!! Dude that never happened and you posted it did.. Trout fought Cotto directly after Mayweather UDed him and almost dropped him in the 12th… Trout did not stop Cotto he fought a guy who just lost… Canelo did not beat Trout pillar to post and long winded explanations don’t vacate that.. Good win on his part but Trouts rep is intact and guys are not gonna be thinking he’s a walkover…

Posted April 24, 2013 6:18 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, AGAIN you prove you’re an idiot, Cotto NEVER fought Canelo and I’d you think Floyd’s on the way down why are you so intent on him fighting guys at 160 like GGG and Martinez?? Even Te Tumbo has gone on record and stated he did not want to see Mayweather above his best weight of 147… Would a win against a bigger fighter be tainted if YOU believe FMJs on the way down?? Let’s hear this BS response

Posted April 24, 2013 6:12 pm 


te tumbo

everyone’s suddenly become an expert on rehydration because the biggest imbecile on this message board has grasped at that straw? oh brother(?). severe dehydration is evident at the weigh-in, e.g., Morales v. Pacquiao*, Cotto v. Pacquiao*, DLH v. Pacquiao*, Chavez Jr. v. Martinez. pale, skeletal, and no muscle tone. conversely, i confidently posted that Canelo and Trout looked great at their weigh-ins, which convinces me that neither are “cheating” to make weight. at 5’8″, 154lbs remains optimal for Canelo and he proved it. so did Trout. you don’t go 12 busy rounds if you’re not 100%. it just doesn’t happen.

Posted April 24, 2013 5:49 pm 


BEARS

yes i am the one saying pac and floyd were in decline. then pac got knocked out and floyd showed up the way he did against cotto who got utterly smoked by trout and canelo. in fact cotto looked better against floyd than he did against either trout or canelo. LOL

Posted April 24, 2013 5:45 pm 


te tumbo

” . . . smaller old worn Cotto . . .”? (lol). just a couple of months ago, this bitter, bizarre, desperate fanboy was inSisting that Canelo was not on Cotto’s level and therefore didn’t deserve a shot . . . pffff?!? at the same time I was calling Cotto what he’s always been at 154lbs: a glorified gatekeeper who Canelo would pound to his knees and drive PR to tears . . . Again. if Cotto’s got any fight left in him, i would love to see Canelo beat it out of him. in PR, if possible.

Posted April 24, 2013 5:45 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, you’re a BAD novice Canelo Alvarez does not have a skillet to trouble Mayweather his advantages are being 14 years younger and 20
Pounds heavier fight night… Till this bout I think a lot of peeps did not know he blowup like that… Were you NOT the one that said Floyd and Pacquaio were on their way down? In any went the plodding Canelo would get outfoxed Austin Trout has about 1/1000 of Floyd Mayweathers Championship experience… Again you’re sacking a neophyte too hard! Remember what happened to Price getting exposed by a relic Lol

Posted April 24, 2013 5:42 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, you are vacillating and trying to play jailhouse politician AGAIN, and failing miserably.. One of the ways a fighter is judged especially one who has been around is who he beats and how he looks beating them… Canelos judged as a young fighter, despite the # of bouts he’s had.. Floyd’s a vet so when you say he’s “AWESOME AND UNIQUE” you are stamping him as terrific, trying to matchmakings not gonna work… Floyd’s been ranked atop the P4P list since he was 24 thats at least 12 years… People have not been getting it wrong for over a decade… Meanwhile you just started watching him Lol

Posted April 24, 2013 5:33 pm 


BEARS

I don’t think floyd is way faster than canelo by any means and canelo would be floyds toughest test. Floyds pius minus ratio is not on a bunch of canelo’s. Its not something intimadating for canelo. I think canelo is highly skilled

Posted April 24, 2013 4:40 pm 


BEARS

Mayweather is awesome and unique tyle. But what I said about his failures in matchmaking/his cherry picking is garbage. What don’t u get? Or in this post did I expose myself to you or something? I don’t get it with u. Your aim is to see me expose myself? Wow! Lol! You wanna see my nuts. Damn dude I didn’t know u were like that.

Posted April 24, 2013 4:08 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, I would NEVER expect you to stay consistent that’s why I just drive you to talk and expose yourself constantly… Like I said, YESTERDAY you felt Mayweather was “awesome and very unique” today you’re back to calling him a Fraud” like I say you’re the best witness EVER against yourself :)

Posted April 24, 2013 3:55 pm 


SREDMOND

Canelo was slated to fight on Floyds undercard and he ALREADY did before when he faced Mosley 3 fights after Mayweather dusted him.. Canelo had barely finished the fight and he was already stumping for a Floyd Mayweather fight because ALL roads lead to Floyd Mayweather.. I’m sure they will fight if Canelo does not get knocked off but as of now he’s a young guy with some good buzz he’s not an elite or P4P fighter stop riding his balls do hard it’s corny… The guy gets the FIRST respected win of his career and you’re read to let him Bukkake all over you Bears slow your roll…

Posted April 24, 2013 3:50 pm 


BEARS

Pubic enemy- I never said anythingabout u bashing canelo. That’s on u I don’t care.

Posted April 24, 2013 3:45 pm 


BEARS

I like posters such as k2 fan and rubes too. I shouldn’t leave out gonzo. Who’s not a fan of gonzo? That guy is a riot! Mayweathers a good fighter but his cherry picking is a major drawback and his reluctance to make the best available come to fruition along with his expressions of fear when it came to pacman. Floyd vs martinez should’ve happened already. They both aid they would do it. Floy faled to make 2 superfights available to him. Pac and martinez. We will c if the trend continues with canelo. I have know respect for these failures on mayspart. He’s a businessman before a fighter. Which from floydsangle I understand completely but from a boxing fan its garbage. If there were one title andboxing was ran like the ufc floyd would’ve been forced into some great fights. Instead we get all the washed up guys vs mayweather. The gueereros and ortiz’s. Rather than the pac’s, martinez’s, canelos, trouts, ggg’s etc.

Posted April 24, 2013 3:23 pm 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Thanks Bears. I enjoy reading your posts as well, always hammering SPED (Special Ed) MOND, Public Enima, Princess, Proud ApeRican y los otro changos tontos. Mucho trabajo, carnal… pero vale la pena. La paz sea contigo.

Posted April 24, 2013 3:14 pm 


BEARS

I dig a bunch of people around boxing. I dig a bunch of posters on east side. But reading your posts is a waste of time let alone replying. I need 2 do a lot less of it as you are irrelevant. What is relevant however is the unified 154 pound 22 year old champ canelo. He scares all the fraud nuthuggers. Redmond and the rest of the tommy hilfiger effect clan were thinkin of new fraud demands to put on canelo in the event he fights floyd like rehydration limits and same day weigh ins within 48 hours of canelo smoking trout.

Posted April 24, 2013 3:11 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears the GAP between “Fraud” and “Awesome Boxer” is 1000 miles again you’ve been exposed as a nutcase with no opinion… You worship Mayweather you’re just confused as usual.. Between Vitali, Vivek, Gonzo and the rest of your Man crushes you are just cum drunk and stupid…What’s new?

Posted April 24, 2013 2:23 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, the Bulls and Brooklyn are irrelevant the Heat are gonna win Hillbilly wake up!

Posted April 24, 2013 2:19 pm 


jay

So REST easy Moody (Redmend, Public enemy, ect,ect) that your little SISSY WILL NEVER FIGHT THE MEXICAN SUPERSTAR SENSATION THE 22 yr old Saul “el Canelo” Alvarez for LACK OF COURAGE.

Posted April 24, 2013 2:14 pm 


jay

All of Floyds last fights are nothing but BORING and CHEATIN CHERRYPICKIN EVENTS and didn’t looked like the so call #1 p4p not at all, Canelo who is only 22 years old and unranked Rock Trout several times and even knock him down in the 7 AND THANK GOD IT WAS ON SHOWTIME AND NOT HBO (judges) FOR THE DECISION WOULD OF GONE TO Trout…..THANKS Floyd for your COWARDICE that HBO sent you and GBP to SHOWTIME.hahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahaa

Posted April 24, 2013 2:09 pm 


BEARS

I’m not always gonna use the same nomenclatureor terms buddy. I’m not a robot but I think I’ve. Described my position on the “fraud” quite clearly. GO BULLS! BEAT BROOKLYN!

Posted April 24, 2013 2:06 pm 


SREDMOND

Hey guys it’s Tossup Day!!! Bears will either call Floyd Mayweather and awesome boxer with a very unique style OR he will say he’s “a fraud” etc…. In this psychos world these polar opposite ideas peacefully coexist… What a loser and flip flopper!

Posted April 24, 2013 1:45 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, Canelo did not look close to Great against Trout by what measure? He showed improved defense and gets credit for booking a win against a prime guy in his division but he was not in the ring with a Great boxer and he sure did not dominate Trout, a lot of people (I disagree) had Trout winning but most sensible people saw the bout close… You think Provodnikov looked Great LOSING to Bradley, you think Vitali looked Great getting his face bashed in and losing to Lewis… Your criteria for Greatness is bizarre in the extreme…Canelos a good YOUNG fighter… He was getting a lot of heat for his opposition before Trout but you wouldn’t know that because you JUST started trying to catchup with boxing outside HW and as expected you’re doing a poor job….

Posted April 24, 2013 1:28 pm 


Ray

PE- you are really something. Golden boy may have had plans but Canelo made sure that fight with Trout was made to silence his critics. (you) Trout PRAISED Canelo on taking on the challenge. Trout took his lose with 0 excuses. He admitted defeat and again praised Canelo on how he came out diffrent as a fighter. Canelo has unified the belts at his current weight class. He fought a tough fight, it was tough for both fighters but he did his homework and now its time to give this kid some credit.

Posted April 24, 2013 1:20 pm 


The El Paso Fight Prophet

Bring on the Real Cotto, Will see if he still gots the eye of the tiger or will the Cinnamon King Continue His reign. We want To see some Real Chingasos, And all You Haters out here don’t be Crying when Canelo Hurts Somebody you Love.

Posted April 24, 2013 1:11 pm 


Public Enemy

Ray – As a true Top Elite Reigning Champion.. NO Canelo doesn’t Count! just another Goldenboy Carefully crafted creation… hasn’t done anything even close to Great in the Ring.. Nada!!!

Posted April 24, 2013 12:54 pm 


BEARS

I rarely see any quality posts coming from sredmond, prince, public enemy, or itsme earnie. Sredmond for example. Another revising, fabrication comment on his own fabrication by saying I think canelo is great and cotto no so much. I never said canelo has become a great. That his career is great. I thought canelo looked great in his last outting I was impressed. I never thought that highly of cotto. I like cotto I called cotto to win the cement free mrgarito rematch which sredmond was unsure of. I think sredmond and public enemy high jack ad even ruin threads. Their long winded substanceless posts in repeating regurgitating style are time wasting for me and them. Wheever their around your sure to be sifting through the loads of utter tripe on threads. We really need a block option. A lot of good posters on this thread I have enjoyed. Tark, tumbo, lionking, fight afficionado, etc

Posted April 24, 2013 12:31 pm 


BEARS

To me the fraud has been the cherry picking matchmaking, fake retiring, lack of taking the best fights available and some of the the things I’ve heard come out of floyds mouth about fighting pac, and the marquez weigh in. To me may is rife with fraud. But obviously this is seperate from the fact that’s he’s a good fighter. Somehow intertwining these as though they are one and the same is sredmonds doing. Always making things up revising other posters post’s then commenting on what you have written or interpreted incoreectly. Pretty savage. It gets to the point I don’t even read sredmond posts. Vivek keeps it clean and professional while sredmond is a mangey vile scrub and often very corny and crude in his responses. But then again he is the owen what the heck bec of boxing debate. If he didn’t set himself up for being ko’ed it wouldn’t be so easy. It was funny when scared redmond was going on about rehydration limits and same day weigh-ins for canelo if he should face floyd…………….smell that?…………scared fanboy in the water???? (Que the jaws music)

Posted April 24, 2013 12:18 pm 


Ray

PE- And even “old fkers” as you put it can put a beating on the top P4P fighters. Which is more than any Puerto Rican fighter. No heart. Where’s Cotto? Planning on retiring. at what age?

Posted April 24, 2013 12:16 pm 


Ray

PE- Ummm I guess Canelo doesnt count? hes old? hes unified the belts bro. Only missing one I believe. Danny Garcia is your only wild card so far. Abner Cotto got dropped in the 1st rd…oops.

Posted April 24, 2013 12:13 pm 


SREDMOND

As for same day weigh-ins thats not gonna happen but I think fighters need to be aware when they face a guy who blows up unusually ie close to 20 pounds… We all know that Mayweather could make WW on fight day if he had to (147) the guy was like 149 30 days out when he had to fight Ortiz at 36, when a mans body is FULLY matured that certainly tells you what division he really fights in… Some of these guys walk around weights are unreal (Juanma) sorry PE he got knocked out too… I know, I know it didn’t happen…. BUT it did he got his star knocked outta the sky…

Posted April 24, 2013 12:00 pm 


SREDMOND

PE as for Oscar losing to Hopkins, Bernard showed Oscar MORE respect than Tito and ODH was actually in the fight boxing solidly till Hops caught him with that beast liver shot.. Tito was getting beat up ALL night and when Hops capped him his Daddy pulled Jr outta the ring to save what was left of him… Tito was NEVER a World Champion again after that moment…

Posted April 24, 2013 11:57 am 


SREDMOND

PE there is no comparison between Tito and Canelo at this stage of his career… Alvarez is a KID, how many World Championship fights had Tito had when he faced the then 36 year old Hopkins, Trinidad was 28 years old, he had been in the ring with ODH, Camacho, Whitaker, and others… Canelo is just getting starting at the next level and thats appropriate he is 22 going on 23… AGAIN you are making a silly comparision out of desperation, its a long way for Canelo to accomplish at much as Trinidad but the comparison is not even close to sensible call us in 5 years…One thing we KNOW about Tito is that he could NOT rebound from a BAD loss… After Hopkins he fought 4 more times losing twice and his 2 wins were over unimpressive opposition, he quit YOUNG and he was NOT on top when he did, to his credit he knew he did not have it anymore after B-Hop chopped him up… He sure did not look like a softy knocking out Joppy in what 5 rounds? but when he met the TRUE MW Champion it was curtains on his career… FACTS

Posted April 24, 2013 11:51 am 


SREDMOND

Public Enemy, this is the part of the conversation where I lose ALL respect for a poster because in his zeal to defend his stance he does not concede the obvious… Bears and others share this same trait “reality and facts be damned” Bernard Hopkins DESTROYED Felix Trinidad and if you are going to whine about Tito being so small then and Hops being a LHW a weight he did not move up to till 4 or 5 years later then were are gonna have to vacate all of Titos wins at 147 because history shows us he was REALLY at 160 pounder picking on 147 pounders according to your logic…. Trinidad was outclassed, outfought, ,knocked out and really NEVER the same after Hopkins took him apart…He was the classic fighter who never really had what it took to rebound after a bad KO loss…. He was murder when he was the bully but when he got slapped around the playground that was it… After that loss who was his biggest win? Mayorga? HAHAHAHAHAHA!! Winky Wright schooled him and he retired again due to embarassment… And truth be told he got a MASSIVE gift against ODH who boxed him silly then pissed the judges off by coasting a little too much…. Thats reality and 500 comeback posts about a rough fighter like Tito being abused and borderline raped by Hopkins are not gonna dig him outta that hole…

Posted April 24, 2013 11:44 am 


SREDMOND

PE, you say that Tito “did not do anything” yet Nazim had him rewrap.. Ok not the worst thing but you are accusing Canelo of cheating absent a single piece of evidence????? Again you’re starting to sound like Bears who is the equivalent of a drunk Mob accountant keeping 2 sets of books one for the Feds one for the Mafioso’s… You cannot wantonly slander yet take umbrage when confronted with the documented questionable attempted wraps of Tito prior to Hops crushing him… Again post till your hearts content, hypocrisy is not pretty!

Posted April 24, 2013 11:29 am 


Public Enemy

Ray – Why would Puerto Ricans be desperate? We always continue to have top fighters in the Mix.. like Danny Garcia.. It’s Mexicans that cannot handle not having a top reigning Champion in over a Decade.. NOT ONE! that’s why they have to dig up their old Champions like Marquez… LOL fker’s from the 90’s

Posted April 24, 2013 10:56 am 


Public Enemy

Hopkins didn’t beat the naturally smaller Tito Trindiad Badly.. Tito fought Hopkins who happens to actually be a Light Heavyweight but also does the Weight Trick for 12 tough rounds.. Hopkins being the usual Dirty fighter that he is fought very dirty and physical.. hitting Tito after the Bell in the mid rounds.. like he’s done to many others.. Tito eventually got caught and went down got up to continue and his father stopped the fight.. admirable showing by Tito Trinidad who only fought the Best.. Can you say that about Canelo? Is he stepping up to take on a bigger unbeaten Champion? is he fighting the Best? Nope.. and then Delahoya agrees to fight Hopkins but only at a Catchweight and gets dropped mid fight from a Tummy Tap… Tito lasted longer and fought Hopkins no strings attached…

Posted April 24, 2013 10:53 am 


Ray

Puerto Ricans are so desperate…hehehe. Just like the few cheering in the Canelo/Trout bout and desperately hoping Canelo lose to Trout. The frustration in their eyes…classic.

Posted April 24, 2013 10:52 am 


Public Enemy

Trinidad didn’t get caught with anything illegal.. non-sense.. it was a technicality only in NYC.. he had a bit too much Gauze.. Totally ok in every other state and country.. he rewrapped and the fight continued.. not even a warning from any NY STATE Boxing Commission.. not like getting caught with Cement Bricks in your Gloves or testing positive for Steriods or Dieuretics…

Posted April 24, 2013 10:49 am 


SREDMOND

Yeah PE and if there is an actual clause in
Place so be it but if there’s not then their opponents made a choice.. Canelo has never been caught with a diuretic to my knowledge and trying to lump him in with Chavez who has in the past is just bad taste… Trinidad got caught with illegal wraps before Hopkins beat him like an unruly servant are we gonna smear all PR fighters now too? Stay focused learn to discuss without such a broad brush and constant conspiracies it makes you sound desperate..

Posted April 24, 2013 10:46 am 


Public Enemy

SREDMOND – Same Day Weighins would flush a lot of fighters out of their Current Weight Classes to their True Weight Classes. Many do it…

Posted April 24, 2013 10:45 am 


Public Enemy

SREDMOND – No I’m not because it would then apply to Martinez as well. If he wants to go down to 154lbs then he as to do it and agree to same day weighin as well…

Posted April 24, 2013 10:44 am 


SREDMOND

PE, you’re contradicting yourself because Martinez is the MW Champion of the world despite fools trying to sell him as a 154 pounder and he has been calling out WW’s like Mayweather and Pacquaio who are considered small by today’s standards at 147… Guys like Prescott and Alvarado were up to 157 when they fought a 140 pound bout, meanwhile Floyd topped out at 152 fight day for a fight at 154 against ODH…

Posted April 24, 2013 10:42 am 


Public Enemy

Bottomline is if you cannot safely make a weight the same day as your fight, then you’re not fighting in your True Weight Class…. Period.. go to your true weight class..

Posted April 24, 2013 10:41 am 


Public Enemy

SREDMOND – Not true there are cases where it is stipulated that you cannot gain X number of lbs after weighin.. so it’s a matter of technicalities.. the point is that Both of these guys, Canelo and Chavez jr. are exploiting the prior day weighin to come in weighing much more then their opponents and in Chavez Jr’s case he was busted cheating using Dieuretics to drop that water weight aka CHEATING and was suspended… That’s why many people want to do away with prior day weighins and/or institute penalties for gaining too much weight after a weighin… This is also about the safety of the Fighters in the Ring.. Arturo Gatti did this as well and the guy he fought Died after their fight when Gatti ballooned up over 20lbs the next day for the fight…

Posted April 24, 2013 10:39 am 


SREDMOND

PE it’s not against the rules to swell up buts it’s certainly something that their foes should be cognizant of… We get it, you hate Mexican fighters (duly noted) but both Trout and Canelo were in the 170’s so is Trout a cheater as well? I would say neither guy is particularly suited to fighting WW’s… I wondered why Cotto looked so small against Trout, in any event it shocked me that both guys were that heavy…

Posted April 24, 2013 10:35 am 


Public Enemy

If you have to use tricks and Drugs to go down in weight then that’s not your True Weight!!!! Same Day Weighins was the norm in Boxing and didn’t allow these cheaters to do what they do best, CHEAT!!!!!

Posted April 24, 2013 10:24 am 


Public Enemy

Canelo gained 18+ lbs and Chavez Cheato Junior rehydrates 25+lbs.. what’s the fkn difference?? they’re both Cheats who use tricks to fight much smaller guys instead of guys their True Weight because they’re cowards.. luckily Martinez Flushed Chavez Cheato Jr. down the Toilet.. next will be Canela…

Posted April 24, 2013 10:22 am 


SREDMOND

Tark, the whole rehydration thing is 2 sided guys do it in order to gain an advantage… Some disparities are greater than other… Having 20 pounds on an opponent is ALOT especially in Pro boxing… I had assumed Canelo got into the 160’s but 172 is a lot… If your opponent tops out at 152… 8 or 10 oz gloves and the rest don’t add that much to a guys weight bottom line is a guy 20 pounds heavier than another has close to 3 divisions on him… Just stating the facts, at 36 if I were Floyd, I would add muscle and sacrifice a little speed, Canelos cement feet still can’t keep up with FMJs superior craft…

Posted April 24, 2013 10:22 am 


SREDMOND

Tark, the fight night weights were shown by Showtime for both Trout and Canelo and he was listed as 172, that’s no a figment of Viveks imagination.. In fairness

Posted April 24, 2013 10:13 am 


TARK

Canelo weighed 172…and that’s according to Vivek, who’s track record of being right about things isn’t always that tremendous… But that’s rehydrating 18 pounds.. Not 25 pounds.. And frequently when fighters “weigh into the ring” they have their cups, gloves, wraps, shoes, and shorts on. That stuff can weigh several pounds.

Anyway, it’s what you weigh at the weigh-in that counts. If you dehydrate too much you’re taking a massive risk of destroying your endurance, reflexive sharpness, and energy level. I’ve seen boxers so weak from dehydration they could barely make it into the ring. They were easy prey. Once the bell sounded they got crushed.

Posted April 24, 2013 10:08 am 


Public Enemy

Same Day Weighins is a must or Weight Gain Restrictions.. you can’t continue to have these south of the Border Cheats coming into fights the next day weighing 25+ more Lbs.. Canelo came into the Ring weighing over 172lbs..

Posted April 24, 2013 9:41 am 


Public Enemy

Even a smaller older Mosely was able to Mop the floor with the Tijuana Master of Plaster MargaCheato and proved that without his Cement Loaded Wraps he was nothing more then another Head first Plodding Pinyata waiting to get KO’d.. Once they took away MargaCheatos Wraps he never again won a fight vs a Legit Opponent.. Karma is a Biatch and she made sure Cotto would retire the fker…… This also proved that Mexicans will do any kind of Cheating and that Chavez Sr. who took MargaCheato under his Wing had passed on his Glove Loading tactics to the MargaCheato Camp….

Posted April 24, 2013 9:23 am 


SREDMOND

Bears, I know you just want to post for the sake of it but I have to call out your schizophrenia again… Below you call Floyd during one of our exchanges “a terrific fighter” or something to that effect… Yet for weeks you have been calling him “Fraud” and making light of his opposition ???????? AGAIN you are trying to prop up Klitschkos stale career by comparing him to Mayweather YET you simultaneously are calling Mayweather a “Fraud” and attacking his fans… So is he Great or is he a scrub? Sorry you can’t have it both ways and if you think he’s all that the STFU when the rest of the sport supports him…Hes consensus #1 and had accomplished more than these neophytes likely EVER will, they want to emulate him not vice versa…

Posted April 24, 2013 9:17 am 


SREDMOND

Bears, no one cares if Vivek compared the now largely irrelevant Vitali Klits to Mayweather in some regard… NO ONE else of note is doing it.. You probably keep that article curled up under you pillow while Klits fades from consciousness more and more everyday… Do you think Vivek secretly has a Pulitzer Prize? Or that he’s the new Big voice in boxing? Again he’s an ESB writer that’s done some YouTube clips… Seems like a nice guy but hardly the last word in boxing… Are you gonna offer him your daughter too?

Posted April 24, 2013 8:58 am 


SREDMOND

Bears, why are you sucking Vivek Wallace dik do hard its bizarre?? Wallace is an ESB writer no more no less if you think he adds some sort of massive weight to your points your crazy…Suddenly your in love with Canelo all of a sudden when for the longest you never mentioned him or any other non-HW fighter, you also believe Privodnikov is the second coming acting like you’re a life long fan after the Bradley bout…You think Cotto has been no big deal but Canelo is Great at 22 after having accomplished what exactly? I like Canelo but to a large extent his career just began with points win over Trout who was in the fight…Beyond Trout who did he beat at 154 to have you dismissing a 3 division Champion who has fought God knows how many current, former world Champions and a couple ATGs Mayweather, Pacquiao…??? If Cotto was no big deal why were you pressing Trout as a Great fighter and elevating Canelo based on beating him… Beyond Cotto all you can talk about with Trout is WHO? Son you’re all over the place, Cottos a HOF produced during this generation… His record has some dings to the best and a couple World Champs those of us who know boxing KNOW that Cottos career was better than good or average he gave Mayweather his toughest fight in years…Canelos just getting started and as much as I like him he sure did not look unbeatable against Trout…

Posted April 24, 2013 8:45 am 


SREDMOND

Same day weigh ins not part of boxing in the slightest as for Mosley no one said that was a (Te Tumbo) a “Prime version” but Sugar was hardly considered “Washed up” but then again who thinks that was a Prime version of Mayweather? Reality is that Shane was still a dangerous opponent who was not getting walked over by anyone till Floyd laid the smackdown… No excuses he beat the living hell out of Margarito and was ranked # 3…As for losses to Wright and Forrest most consider those some Bad style matchups, Wright was not losing to Shane at 154 he was a tough out for anyone at the weight…

Posted April 24, 2013 8:33 am 


Public Enemy

Against Mayweather, Quinlin, GGG, Rosado, Lara, Martinez even an old smaller Cotto, a Winded helpless CAnelo against the Ropes would’ve meant an end to this Goldenboy Fraud…

Posted April 24, 2013 7:10 am 


Public Enemy

This was just another bought and paid for Glorified Sparring Session just like the Mosley fight.. Both Mosely and Trout obviously took it EZ on the Pampered GoldenBoy Primadonna.. even when Canelo tired and was helpless against the ropes Trout didn’t go in for the kill. Instead he took his time so the Winded Canelo could get his second wind and the Sham of a fight could continue…

Posted April 24, 2013 7:08 am 


Exiled Yank

The more I think about it, the more I would rather see Cotto and Canelo v Fm Canelo. I know Cotto recently lost to FM, but he was a live dog in that fight and gave FM fights a few times. I think Cotto Canelo will provide fireworks and if Canelo wins, it will be a great learning experience, and if Cotto wins, well, he’s the champ.

Posted April 24, 2013 6:43 am 


te tumbo

correction: by that time, Shane had also lost to Cotto . . .

Posted April 24, 2013 6:08 am 


te tumbo

“No one was calling Shane washed up till FMJ tool him to school…” that is precisely what people were saying about Shane immediately prior to his win v. Margarito. he definitely wasn’t favored to win and it wasn’t because people believed that Shane couldn’t defeat Margarito during his prime. prior to that he had to Fight for 12 rounds to finally subdue Mayorga, which i believe was due to a cheap shot from Mosley who did not remain in a neutral corner following his KD of Mayorga and was right on top of him as soon as the ref completed his 8-count. by that time, Shane had also lost to Mosley and followed up his unexpected win over Margarito with a virtual loss v. Mora. IMO, Shane’s prime was over after his lopsided losses to Wright (which i thought Shane would win) and was barely above-average following his loss to Cotto. he was considered little more than a prominent name when he stepped in v. Margarito.

Posted April 24, 2013 6:07 am 


BEARS.

Vivek Wallace Presents: ‘OPEN MIC FAN MAIL’ – Measuring “Greats” & “G.O.A.T.’s” (Klitschko/Mayweather/Pacquiao/Hopkins/ and Beyond)……………this is the title of another awesome vivek piece where he gives his views making a list of 10 guys he thinks would be most likely to badass in ANY ERA. talking about GOATS. I really enjoy that vivek would entertain such hypothetical’s and give his own views as many of us esb regulars do. I find these to be interesting pieces and it’s my fervent wish that vivek continues with it. I post these in honor of viveks return to east side, I like many of the things he has written, I have chatted with him on here and he’s a nice guy and seems to me to be a congenial fellow who you can converse with. Welcome back to east side vivek, i hope to see more of your stuff. I’m dissapointed you havent dropped by the thread to comment a little bit.

Posted April 24, 2013 4:35 am 


BEARS.

East side is not letting me post links to read this article in its entirety go to google and type “Vivek Wallace Presents: ‘OPEN MIC FAN MAIL’ – (Klitschko Bros.) – Heavyweights With Light Talent?” and type east side boxing if you have to. you shold be able to find it.

Posted April 24, 2013 4:23 am 


BEARS.

………..heres one of my fav’s from vivek wallace. I figure since wallace is back we will honor him with some “oldies but goldies”. I like reading viveks point of view and i think he does pretty good job for the most part at giving people a fair shake. geoffrey ciani and vivek are probably my favorite east side contributors. I think more people should try writing something and submitting it. I know I have thought about it. anyway from this article my favorite vivek qoute is

“When you look at statistical domination, Vitali is behind only Floyd Mayweather jr. in the plus/minuses ratio, and that can be soundly attributed to his ability to hit and not be hit, and completely dominate a fight. When you look at what he’s done AGAINST THE BEST COMPETITION AVAILABLE FOR HIM TO DO IT AGAINST, you have to give him true consideration for the “best” of all time.”…and i also like from this article…………

.”As good as Ali was, I don’t think anyone can logically say a 6’3″, 80-inch reach bearing Ali would have an easy time against a 6’8″, 80 inch-reach bearing, powerful heavyweight like Vitali. We don’t know who would win. Arguably, one can point to Vitali and call him the “best”,

Posted April 24, 2013 4:21 am 


BEARS

im gonna post some links to some of my favorite vivek wallace pieces

Posted April 24, 2013 2:07 am 


BEARS

Thats what i thought this worm redmond cant come up with the single best opponent. this is pretty sad but then again he is the owen “what the heck” beck of boxing debate. so what can you expect huh? lol…..i crack myself up…..owen what the heck beck…….is that guy still getting knocked out? we know the worm redmond is

Posted April 24, 2013 2:02 am 


BEARS

oh canelo looked pretty awesome and powerful. thats why within 48 hours you were in excuse overdrive and becoming a propenent of new floyd demands if he is to fight canelo. like rehydration limits and same day weigh ins. “canelo doesnt look that great but lets add new fraud demands. and beyond these demands fraud gets all the money in the off shot that after abiding by “fraud demands” canelo can win” LOL. yeah right dude. say hello to the unified 154 pound champ CANELO ALVAREZ.

Posted April 24, 2013 1:31 am 


BEARS

judah, clottey, cement hands. LOl. mosely past it. and cotto got beat by the others but apparently you think because he fought them its credit for something. i never thought cotto was all that great. just a good fighter.

Posted April 24, 2013 1:28 am 


SREDMOND

Bears, get off Canelos nuts he was not that convincing against Trout it was a good win but he hardly looked unbeatable…

Posted April 24, 2013 1:08 am 


SREDMOND

This dude Bears says “Cotto was never that badass” what a fcking idiot Cotto is easily one of the best fighters produced over the past 10 years he fought prime or very good versions of more Top WW’s than anyone active Margarito, Mosley,Pacquaio, Mayweather, Judah,Clottey How were Oscar and Cotto washed up when Floyd fought them? ODH had a belt and was the last guy yo win a card from Floyd, Cotto had ONE unavenged loss to Pacquaio and was fighting in a higher weight class as Champion with 3 stoppage wins at 154… Shane Mosley was ranked #3 when Floyd fought him after he smashed Margarito…No one was calling Shane washed up till FMJ tool him to school…. Really you are trying to downplay Cotto? He’s a 3 weight Champ going to the HOF two of his losses were to ATG’s you’re truly an idiot…

Posted April 24, 2013 1:07 am 


BEARS

*all off the uppercut in the first round. canelo just started the fight and ended the fight with popping punches. it was a great fight. i think trout would fight the same in a rematch if there is open scoring or not. canelo was just super fast. and i will put my money on the next time canelo is in the ring his stamina is gonna be awesome and he’s gonna be working that sweet movement non stop. it was just awesome how his quickness really closed the gap and nullifed trouts height and reach. this is revealing and should be a concern for his future foes. canelo is fast as hell.

Posted April 24, 2013 12:09 am 


TARK

… “Most boxers will die broke and brain damaged.” … I’ve known thousands of boxers and I don’t think this is true.. I wouldn’t say most die broke by a long shot.. Some do of course… even guys who’ve made millions..

But most suffer brain damage of one degree or another. Even if most people couldn’t tell from talking to them if they were a banker or a boxer for most of their lives, because they seem fine, and sharp as can be, they’ll have problems.. Their speech may not be affected, but their short term memory, emotional stability, cognitive learning capacity, psychological health, competitive drive, or some other aspect of their personality or mental function has been compromised. They’ll tell you about it. Depression seems to be a real problem. I don’t think you’ll ever really know whether you’ll be one of the few who escapes any physical, neurological, or mental disorders that probably originated with your pursuit of the sweet science — until you get into your 60’s or 70’s.

Posted April 23, 2013 11:25 pm 


Hidalgo

“Christodoodoo’s” LMAO!

Posted April 23, 2013 10:40 pm 


BEARS

i think trout was trying to keep the distance b/w them using his punches and keeping his hands in canelos face to try to keep canelo off. i think trout got popped early and was surprised by canelos strength early all of the uppercut in the first round.

Posted April 23, 2013 10:37 pm 


TARK

I’m not saying Alvarez-Trout was a robbery like some people are… I picked Canelo to win and I had the fight very close… It was a close fight… The scoring of 2 judges, especially Stanley Christodoodoo’s, was a joke. Austin Trout complained about the scoring, not the verdict.

Trout believes he deserves a rematch based on what really happened in the ring — which wasn’t reflected on the judges scorecards … Obviously, being so far behind. so early, made Trout fight a totally different fight than he planned, and allowed Alvarez to wait for big shots because he knew Trout had to carry the fight and take reckless chances. Alvarez capitalized on his strategic advantage very well — but usually you don’t get type of advantage because no one knows the judges’ scores.

My post on scoring criteria was really a response to Bear, and the idea that defense, or any other scoring criterion, is as important as clean, effective punches — which is the main scoring criterion.

Posted April 23, 2013 9:56 pm 


te tumbo

IMO, 116-111 is accurate because even in the close rounds Trout failed to score big punches, compel Canelo to chase him, avoid big punches, or drop him. with the exception of multiple KDs, Canelo did all of those things in at least 8/12 rounds. it was steady superiority throughout, which Canelo never relinquished.

Posted April 23, 2013 9:51 pm 


zurdo40

Wake up Public Enemy are you retard???? Danny Garcia is not puerto rican, even does not talk spanish. He does not represent puerto rico boxing. That charade is just to get a little more of attention, a little of course. That idiot never will reach a ppv status with or without puerto rico support. How many times he has fought in puerto rico? How many times he has trained in puerto rico? Does he pay taxes in puerto rico? I am nearer to get a date with Katty Perry than that retard to your beloved island.

Posted April 23, 2013 9:46 pm 


BEARS

I agree with te tumbo on the scoring

Posted April 23, 2013 9:34 pm 


zurdo40

Almost 400 comments… Canelo is buzzing definetly. Check the comments in other articles, 20 or 40 comments.

Posted April 23, 2013 9:32 pm 


Hidalgo

“116-111 is an accurate score of this fight.” I disagree with you on the scoring te tumbo, but as I just said, it’s a moot point. Canelo won. He really did win that fight.

Posted April 23, 2013 9:10 pm 


Hidalgo

And it was no “robbery.” Over-scored in Canelo’s favor perhaps, but not a robbery. Even if the individual judges had the fight scored closer, the end result would be the same: a Canelo win.

Posted April 23, 2013 9:02 pm 


Hidalgo

te tumbo, Chavez taught Whittaker a thing or three in that fight. I think I saw a shocked look on Whittaker’s face numerous times.

Posted April 23, 2013 9:00 pm 


Hidalgo

But as I have said from the day the fight was announced, Alvarez and Trout are two very well-matched boxers. Their skills levels are on par with each other. I said it would be a very close, 12-round fight, that no one would get stopped and that I thought Canelo would take the fight by a slim margin. Canelo did just that. No matter what the judges scored, Canelo did win that fight. That’s it folks.

Posted April 23, 2013 8:58 pm 


te tumbo

these are the same guys who insist that Chavez and DLH lost to whittaker. primarily because of his defensive skills but neither Chavez or DLH got Dropped. fast-forward to 2013 and Canelo was slipping punches like prime Duran, forced Trout out of his fight-plan, and Dropped him for good measure. a convincing win all-around primarily becasue Trout did NONE of those things against Canelo.

Posted April 23, 2013 8:58 pm 


te tumbo

116-111 is an accurate score of this fight. the lasting impression is of Canelo’s big punching and ominous KO threat v. Trout’s professional but ineffective posturing. Trout set the table but he was the one who got served.

Posted April 23, 2013 8:54 pm 


Hidalgo

Oh, and as for Defense, Canelo clearly displayed superior defensive skills. The only problem is that he did not balance his defense with consistent, equally effective offense. Still, Trout could not do enough to Canelo to dominate him and get the win. Canelo did win that fight, but it was by the hair of a tick’s butt. Even with the knockdown.

Posted April 23, 2013 8:52 pm 


te tumbo

HIDALGO, Canelo’s detractors are even willing to piss on Trout’s display of good and selfless sportsmanship to diminish Canelo’s performance. the very SaaaaMe ones who constantly piss and moan about Mayweather’s selfish antics. then Trout emerges to model the exact opposite image of positive sportsmanship and Mayweather’s detractors (and Canelo Haters) wave him off like some cluleless bum(?!?). i submit that the clueless individual in this situation is not Trout.

Posted April 23, 2013 8:50 pm 


Hidalgo

“The scoring criteria for a professional boxing match are 4: 1 Clean effective punching, 2 Effective aggression, 3 Defense, 4 Ring generalship.. ” Tark, Trout did not display Effective Aggression over enough rounds to take that category from Canelo. Trout did land more punches but they were not generally clean nor were they effective. If they were, Canelo would have been in more trouble and more marked up. Trout’s defense was not as good as Canelo’s because not only did Canelo knock him down, he clearly rocked Trout on numerous other occasions. As for Ring Generalship, I think Trout had the edge in this area because he was the aggressor and in my eyes he was controlling the tempo of the fight–for the most part. As I said several times before, if Trout had not got knocked down in the 7th, I would have scored a clear Decision win for him. But he did get knocked down and that’s what tilted the table in Canelo’s favor. But the overall result should have been and SD, not a UD in Canelo’s for Canelo.

Posted April 23, 2013 8:48 pm 


Hidalgo

I See Good, Judah is going to get creamed by Danny Garcia.

Posted April 23, 2013 8:42 pm 


Hidalgo

“it makes no sense to refute Trout’s own endorsement of Canelo’s win” This is the key argument regarding Canelo’s win. Trout has not even hinted that he thought he won the fight. Why are so many arguing in favor of Trout? Even he agrees that Canelo beat him. Score away folks, but Canelo beat Trout. Cleanly, honestly, fairly.

Posted April 23, 2013 8:41 pm 


te tumbo

“If you score more clean, effective punches than you’re oponent you don’t go to the tie breakers …” TARK, by my punchstat calculations, Canelo did land more clean and deffective punches. moreover, it was HIS ring-generalship that stretched Trout and compelled him to increasingly assume the unfamiliar role of aggressor, which was supposed to be Canelo’s role and downfall. bottomline, it makes no sense to refute Trout’s own endorsement of Canelo’s win. not even by your notoriously whimsical standards.

Posted April 23, 2013 8:37 pm 


BEARS

Lets go chicago BULLS beat brooklyn……..chicago sports baby!~!!!!!

Posted April 23, 2013 8:08 pm 


I see Good

My MONEY is on ZAB JUHDA yes folks I SEE GOOD will be 10 for 10. Again EVERY BODY except maybe 3 or 4 people will agree with me. The 98% will pick Garcia… When its over the CLOWNS will ALL say I pick Zab to win.. Yes BOXADAMUS see I dont do the JEW WIGGLE WISHY WASHY SHUFFLE. I am 1/2 Mexican myself, Zab is something special ALWAYS has been ALWAYS will be. I just love the guy. Now that guy can box, YES he like Canelo BAD STAMINA. But Zab KNOWS this is it, this is his LAST chance NO MORE TOMORROWS. Zab by decission. Go ZAB Go.

Posted April 23, 2013 8:01 pm 


SREDMOND

Weird Bears and with 5times as many Whites the Klits can’t do a PPV guess that’s called the “Your REALLY BORING EFFECT”

Posted April 23, 2013 7:46 pm 


Miatestomper

Anonymous The Negroes don’t have credit cards they’re always declined for bad credit they gonna take their babies mama Welfare check to purchase a Floyd ticket the sucker is the babies mama

Posted April 23, 2013 6:55 pm 


SREDMOND

You mean 50 who despite being wealthy is irrelevant as a recording artist and is flailing as a promoter with Gamboa? Even he tried to have FMJ face Gamboa in order to breathe some life into his venture.. Unless you believe Billy Dib is gonna be a star Lol… You can’t breakup with someone who breaks up with you Floyd dumped HBO…

Posted April 23, 2013 6:35 pm 


Jay

Hbo and 50cent have turned there backs on Floyd for been scared of a little flilipino and for letting a 39 year old Mexican take the glpry instead……..and Hbo can and will outbeat anybody, i dont remember Guerrero having a ppv.

Posted April 23, 2013 6:17 pm 


TARK

The scoring criteria for a professional boxing match are 4: 1 Clean effective punching, 2 Effective aggression, 3 Defense, 4 Ring generalship.. If you score more clean, effective punches than you’re oponent you don’t go to the tie breakers … For instance, if both boxers landed 9 punches of relatively similar cumulative impact maybe one fighter was more aggressive and forced the action in that round… If they both fought with the same aggression maybe one fighter made the other miss more punches… If they both threw 35 punches and landed 9 with the same cumulative impact, maybe one controlled the ring space, the pace, or imposed his style on the fight more than the other.

What you DON’T do is say, “Okay…fighter A landed 13 punches that were all harder than any of the 3 punches fighter B landed — but, then again, fighter B made fighter A miss 20 punches while landing 3 of 4, a much more efficient percentage of punches tossed and landed… Therefore he wins the round 23 to 14 counting both connections and and punches you made the other guy miss.” … That’s creative scoring to an absurd level but you get my point. You only go to the other criterias if both fighters did roughly similar damage by landing the same number of scoring punches… If one did observably more damage, or landed more punches, you already have your winner of that round … using the priority criterion was all you needed.

Posted April 23, 2013 5:38 pm 


SREDMOND

Rapid, are you feeling Mayweathers in dire straights making 85 mill over the course of 1 fiscal year for his fights? You scoffed at his earnings and mentioned Manny who made what 20 mill less including endorsements and fought what 3 times? I Floyds miscalculating I guess everyone else is bankrupt… But then again being the highest paid athlete on a planet with 7 billion people by actually fighting 48 minutes is a clear sign? 36 against Cotto 12 against Ortiz I’ll take that deal… Mannys my boy but did they wake him up YET???

Posted April 23, 2013 5:31 pm 


RaidR

” SREDMOND

Floyd left HBO for the highest bidder like ANY Smart businessman would while sadly most boxers will die broke and brain damaged he is going to make more money in the next 6 fights than 99.999999% of boxers will during a 75 fight career…. HBO’s the past Money Mays banking on Showtime… This ain’t about feelings its about $$$$ thats being Numero Uno for you!”

This has got to be the most ignorant statement I have ever read. Let get this straight sredmond, according to you nutthuggers Joy was making $50mil or more per fight when he was with HBO, and left HBO for a payday of $30mil on each fight at ShowTime. That means if he actually fights 6 times in 3yrs he only makes $180mil, roughly the equivalent of 3 fights at HBO. If Joy would have fought Manny, Joy could have had his biggest single bout payday, never mind a rematch/trilogy. Haha! all about the $$$$, don’t think so!

Posted April 23, 2013 4:39 pm 


Mex

PE..Marquez alone is elite!!! I got a question for you…what do all Cottos have in common???? Let me help you…….they all are forced to take a knee due to a Mexican beating tht ass!!! Baaaaaaaaaaaa

Posted April 23, 2013 4:28 pm 


BEARS

If floyd”likes the BIG fights and the challenges then that’s martinez, ggg, canelo, pac. These guys will be making weight at weigh in which is the rules and good enough.its ok for mayweather to bang on hatoon and marquez but he can t fight the guys making 154? The only. One doin the classic cherry picking fraud matchmaking is floyd here. The big fights and the challenges are the guys I listed. We all know it. The nuthuggers are just scared

Posted April 23, 2013 4:26 pm 


Mex

Marquez alone will handle that whole island!! ..I got a ? for u PE..Wht do all Cottos have in common???? They all are forced to take a knee by a Mexican!!!baawwwwwwww

Posted April 23, 2013 4:13 pm 


te tumbo

meanwhile, great and active fighters once again flowing down the west-coast pipeline: Mares, Garcia, Guerrero surging at welter, Canelo planting his flag at the top of his weight-class. no lull in between generations of great west-coast fighters. they just keep reaching for and daring greatness.

Posted April 23, 2013 4:10 pm 


te tumbo

REDMOND, there ain’t no “slugfests” between me and that overgrown juvenile delinquent “PE”. it’s more a situation of him confronting everyone he can by pointing at his face and insisting that “this is your butt!” before confronting another innocent bystander with the same fact. absurd and utterly imbecility that has nothing to do with Me, Boxing, or Mexico. if you want to be a therapy prop for this clueless imbecile, suit yourself, but leave me out of it. this pathetic headcase doesn’t even register on my radar, which only makes him Stupider for everyone else to see . . . Win-Win!

Posted April 23, 2013 4:06 pm 


Public Enemy

Mex – But Danny Garcia is one Proud Puerto Rican.. LOL and he did retire Eric Morales who got busted using Steriods for the fight…

Posted April 23, 2013 4:03 pm 


TARK

Bradely escaped by the skin of his teeth against Provodnikov. The referee missed a legitimate knockdown that would have made the fight a draw, and Bradley admitted he suffered a concussion in the post fight interview. “Oh yeah” Tim said with a big grin on his face. “I’ve suffered a concussion. I’m dizzy right now.” Bradley said Provodnikov could “beat anybody at 147.” … Presumably he meant anybody but Bradley, but he didn’t stipulate this. This was the toughest fight of his life, I’ll tell you that.

I had Bradley winning the fight 114-113 but it was another rare situation like Canelo-Trout where the guy I had winning the fight suffered the worst punishment. Obviously Tim was clobbered a lot worse than Trout. Tim’s ears were probably still ringing 3 days later. He’s a tough guy to get through that fight. Woooo baby, those were some bombs he absorbed.

Posted April 23, 2013 3:56 pm 


Mex

It was 40001 to be exact public enemy ..that 1 was you holding ur PR glove asking Canelo for autograph…You don’t even have a great boxer from PR today…Danny G ..is not from the island .

Posted April 23, 2013 3:49 pm 


SREDMOND

Ok Bears I’m bored and my bladder is devoid of urine, let me up the acidity and volume before I evacuate myself on you again… Later Idiot..

Posted April 23, 2013 3:46 pm 


SREDMOND

Well you finally acknowledge the obvious and what “exception are you talking about” AGAIN you did not like Hatton fighting in a higher division even though he did so BEFORE he got crushed by FMJ…. BUT you are all for Floyf fighting anyone up to 160?? the only one making exceptions for his OWN rules is you…. And naw kid during the PEAK of the Pacquiao/Mayweather debate when guys were doing 1000 posts you were not even aware of the game you did not even know what the Super 6 was till I told your dopey ass…. You are trying to learn boxing as an overall sport.

Posted April 23, 2013 3:41 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, EVERYTHING about Floyd is “special” stop trying to think of a rally cry so some other posters will come take you to Triage you transparent fool… Floyd holds belts at 2 weights MOST of his fights over the past several years have been at 147 he can fight anywhere he damn well pleases…Guerreros on deck and remember that Canelo was gonna be on his undercard till he got to big for his britches…Canelo is 22 what are you going to make the case that Floyd is waiting for him to “get old” LMAO…… Time on the kids side but we know most of these guys get bumped off, maybe Canelo gets it in September when FMJ’s supposed to fight maybe later… But as of today Floyd has a YOUNG, hungry fighter and he did not stay undefeated by underestimating guys like alot of these lazy boxers do.;…

Posted April 23, 2013 3:38 pm 


BEARS

Hey! You know me I love the glamour division. Love the heayweights. But I love all boxing all weights. And I’m not into maing exceptions for floyd. Sorry nuthugger. And floyds an awesome boxer. Nobody ever said dif. Very unique style

Posted April 23, 2013 3:37 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, are you trying to hide behind and ESB writer? WOW your weakness is epic just as I said below when my hands tighten around your throat during this exchange you will resort to your phony laugh… Vivek Wallace and Jesus Christ along with 2 AK47’s cannot help you if its about you discussing boxing with me…. You are just TOO dumb, isolated, emotional and rednecked to win Poppy…. Die quietly today, put some aloe on your busted rear cause you just got piped your responses are weak… Stick to HW at least you know those lames up there… Adulasamov and Co!

Posted April 23, 2013 3:33 pm 


BEARS

Hey shmuck redmond- remember all that smack you talked about vivek wallace? Now your commenting on his thread. Bahahhahahahah!

Posted April 23, 2013 3:30 pm 


SREDMOND

If Canelo and Martinez are so good why don’t they fight and the winner gets Floyd…. Mayweather has a bout scheduled how many guys are gonna ride his nuts instead of building their own brand up?? Floyds TERRIBLE but EVERYONE wants to fight him…HAHAHAHAHA the illogical nature of the hater!!

Posted April 23, 2013 3:28 pm 


SREDMOND

Floyd left HBO for the highest bidder like ANY Smart businessman would while sadly most boxers will die broke and brain damaged he is going to make more money in the next 6 fights than 99.999999% of boxers will during a 75 fight career…. HBO’s the past Money Mays banking on Showtime… This ain’t about feelings its about $$$$ thats being Numero Uno for you!

Posted April 23, 2013 3:25 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears if you think Floyds terrible why do want to see him fight at all? Why do you want to see Floyd at 154 when you are not a FAN of guys moving up? Be careful remember Guerrero who is 7 years younger than Floyd and in his prime as 2 fights over the past 12-18 months at 147 whereas Floyd only has 1 at 154 over that span and only 2 in his life… REMEMBER you are not a fan of anyone facing a bigger fighter Floyd had never even made the fight night limit of 154 so he will be giving up a TON does not that go against you theories with him? OF COURSE it does but you are like and accountant with 2 sets of books…Die Clown!

Posted April 23, 2013 3:19 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, you ADMIT that YOU previously thought Bradley was a good opponent for Mayweather… OK Bradley has struggled at WW most think he did not beat Pacquiao and he had a TOUGH UD win over Provodnikov…. Most of Bradleys best days were at 140 pounds where he did not accomplish as much as Hatton who had never lost at 140 or anywhere else (lineal champ at the weight by making Kosta Tszyu quit) …. So it was OK for Mayweather to fight Bradley or Khan (you wanted BOTH) but NOT Hatton…. How does that work? Khan suffered his FIRST KO loss in the first round to Bredis Prescott at 135….Just admit you HATE Floyd Mayweather because he typifies the guy that will be fcking your daughter in 16 years or that your standards shift like the wind…. Which one is it? or both….Hatton had never lost but it was not OK for FMJ to take a then big fight like that…

Posted April 23, 2013 3:16 pm 


BEARS

I would rather see provodnikov’s power blast than bradleys tapping. Bradley is weigh down on the best mayweather opponents list. That list is dominated by guys at 154 or that can make 154…….provodmokov is fireworks

Posted April 23, 2013 3:16 pm 


Ray

It was a tough fight for both fighters but Canelo won! The judges scores were a bit off but if even if they weren’t Canelo would have won and he did.

Posted April 23, 2013 3:15 pm 


Ray

22 year Canelo is moving up nicely. He’s young and improving. What if Trout beat Canelo?…oh exposed exposed. The fact remains he was smart enough to try and adjust and he did just that. He knew what Trout was going to do and every time he was met with an equally fast Canelo. Trout didn’t have a plan B so he lost and made no excuses. Trout got knocked down.

Posted April 23, 2013 3:13 pm 


Ray

Did someone say that Trout was featherfisted now? The same Trout that beat the stuffing out of Cotto? The excuses never stop.

Posted April 23, 2013 3:07 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, I can always tell when I bury you because you really go into 5th gears as it pertains to not making sense… Get real this is my world you watch those slob HWs 24/7 trying to play catchup in order to gain some cache on ESB is not gonna work…I am not you man, I don’t need sycophants to validate my points…. Truth is you are trying to become more relevant and its not working…If you were going to really be a Mayweather hater the time was 3 years ago on ESB when did this ire against the King of boxing arise… Ahhhhh there are no terrible HW fights worth discussing and please don’t make me shart on my PC by saying Arreola and Stiverne or Wlad vs another of his inept sparring partners Pianeta….Betting on Canelo does NOT make any of us a genius he is a very good YOUNG fighter and so is Trout but they are on the front end of proving something… Everyone looks good at 22 or they don’t make the front page…. Call me in 3 or 4 years of winning against World Class foes until then pick those cinnamon hairs out of your teeth and get your lips of Canelos pipe… He’s a puppy…

Posted April 23, 2013 3:03 pm 


Public Enemy

Jay – Canelo hasn’t a single PPV yet, not one.. you really need to go find something other then Canelo is arriving on Jet planes non-sense.. Still fighting on regular HBO and PPV undercards… I believe that means he’s still not a PPV caliber fighter like Floyd, Paquiao and Cotto..

Posted April 23, 2013 2:59 pm 


jay

When have the supposedly #1 p4p arrived in a Plane let alone a Private Jet, not even when he was with HBO oh and talking about HBO they HAD ENOUGH of him for NOT fighting real OPPONENTS and CLOSED the doors on his COWARDLY ACTS. do I say more.

Posted April 23, 2013 2:55 pm 


Proud African

It’s funny to see so many LOSERS worked up over ONE boxer, Floyd Mayweather. It just tells you how great he is.

Posted April 23, 2013 2:52 pm 


Public Enemy

As Josesito Lopez’s Mexican Trainer said in the HBO 24/7 episode about Canelo “If he didn’t have Red hair and Freckles, no one would give a fk about him” he did say that.. just a fact…

Posted April 23, 2013 2:52 pm 


SREDMOND

I remember Bears calling for Floyd to fight Bradley and Khan LOL!!! NOW your tunes changing… Of course you don’t like the division because you don’t know a damn thing… Austin Trout if I am correct had beat ONE World Champion before Cotto or Cotto was the first he had beaten.. Canelo was feasting on guys that people were like WTF?? I’m a Canelo fan but he was in there with Josesito Lopez who had come up from I believe 140 initially he was supposed to get knocked off by Ortiz who CANELO was supposed to fight before he got his jaw broken…?? Who beat Ortiz coming off his BIGGEST win, when he was 10 years younger and had a BELT? Floyd Mayweather after a 17 month layoff spotting the kid 14 pounds fight night… AGAIN Bears is a flip flopper…Its OK for Canelo to have been slated to face Ortiz at a weight where Ortiz had not done anything but Floyds not OK for facing him for a belt that Ortiz won…. You and Jay need to get out of the sandbox and get some new friends two idiots together can only produce more stupidity and double talk….:)

Posted April 23, 2013 2:49 pm 


Public Enemy

Jay – 40,000 went to see a 22 year old in San Antonio” All this proves as PTBarnum would say is that “There’s a sucker born every day” 40,000 in this case…

Posted April 23, 2013 2:49 pm 


Public Enemy

Jay – 40,000 went to see a 22 year old in San Antonio” Why? What has he done?? it’s just silly… and goes to show how Desperate Mexicans have become trying to find a True Mexican Champion… That they would put all their hopes into this unproven hyped kid.. pretty sad day for Mexican Boxing once Canelo gets starched..

Posted April 23, 2013 2:44 pm 


jay

I think Floyd and ESB and Moody (Public Enemy, and his MULTIPLE names) are praying real hard for Khan to win his next fight against Josecito Lopez so they can fight him next

Posted April 23, 2013 2:43 pm 


SREDMOND

JAY, you are the OPPOSITE of a Genius Canelo is a kid who’s live gate money could not pay for Floyds Bentley and Rolls Royce Corniche… Who cares what Canelo is doing now he is likely NEVER gonna be Floyd Mayweather… It takes YEARS to cement Greatness do you REALLY think beating Austin Trout is gonna get him in the history books?? The only reason you seek to annoint this kid is because you don’t know boxing I have seen guys with WAYYYYY better starts than Canelo fizzle out (Meldrick Taylor)….By the time Tyson was 24 he had beaten Michael Spinks and Larry Holmes via KO and unifed the HW division… But you are ready to proclaim Canelo as superior to Mayweather in anyway… Floyds fans put 45 million per bout in his pocket think with your mind not your heart its a sign of weakness in the world of sport…

Posted April 23, 2013 2:41 pm 


jay

Guerrero DOESN’T even come close to be as good as Trout, Martinez and much less Canelo BUT for some reason Guerrero is the one to fight Floyd in ANOTHER BORING EVENT.

Posted April 23, 2013 2:39 pm 


jay

And whaterver happen to the CATCHWEIGHTS that Floyd made famous against a 130 pounds 36 year od Mexican who NEVER fought or had a fight past the 135 pound limit, Floyd even fought a DISABLE Cotto at the 154 pounds so why can’t he fight a Martinez, Canelo or even Trout at that weight.

Posted April 23, 2013 2:35 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, read below I listed some of Mayweathers BEST opponents and their credentials this is not the SAD Klits where we have to drone on about how Vitali fought hard with dislocated eyeball against Lewis then lost in 6 because after that the quality drops off badly…. Mayweather has defeated serious foes with serious credentials…. In his last 6 or 7 fights 4 of the guys were HOFERS…. And always remember I am the Floyd Mayweather of our chats, I control, the convo, content and outcome you are just the guy in the ring with me…. Capeesh?

Posted April 23, 2013 2:31 pm 


jay

Public Enemy(Moody), Guerrero is MEXICAN so its ok for Floyd to fight him…..40,000 went to see a 22 year old in San Antonio and MILLIONS watch him all over the world, Floyd at 22 years old was a Nobody and now he is a FAKE CHAMP.

Posted April 23, 2013 2:30 pm 


SREDMOND

Sorry Bears your fantasy about Trout being distressed the whole fight does not wash…You love assigning fictional damage… Trout was down EARLY in the round and Canelo did not have what it took to finish him off… He stung him a few more times during the bout but he had to go 12 with a guy who kept coming… You saw a fight that did not happen where Trout was on the verge of death… But then again you are ALWAYS “seeing things” like Lennox Lewis being knocked to the ground by Shannon Briggs…Sadly on Earth we don’t get the cable channells you do on planet Krypton! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Posted April 23, 2013 2:28 pm 


DrRican

Canelo had a solid performarnce and good power pinching. the problem is that he will never be able to do that with Floyd Mayweather. Hell! you put him in the ring VS Dinamita JMM and would get school by the Master. Ho would probably get the decision but thats it. Floyd would be too fast for him and he would lose his rythm after round 6. Floyd by split decision.

Posted April 23, 2013 2:27 pm 


BEARS.

you can ask questions after you answer the one thats best asked of you for days and weeks and months and years. who is floyds best opponent? single best opponent. i already answered it for you so now you can just copy the answer if you like. i dont mind.

Posted April 23, 2013 2:27 pm 


BEARS.

i asked you for a single best opponent not to reel off what you think their general career accomplishments are and somehow floyd absorbes that when he defeated them like some kind of afro american highlander. no floyd mayweather is not the highlander christopher lambert is. moreover, not only was cotto never an atg or that badass (in my view) he was beat down, and totally worn when he faced mayweather post cement hands. we all know it. yeah he beat margo without cement hands, hasnt everyone else who fought him without cement hands? ok. now that, thats established. oscar, cotto, mosely, gatti, WASHED UP, WASHED UP. sorry MY NICCA, try again

Posted April 23, 2013 2:25 pm 


SREDMOND

Really Bears if he “does not belong why is he a mandatory and why is he ranked #3 in the division by Ring Magazine?? I know, I know you began reading up on divisions other than those sad HW’s just recently so you are clueless.. But facts are facts… You are sucking Canelo off, so who is the BEST guy he beat before Trout and who is the BEST guy that Trout beat….???? Miguel Cotto who Floyd already beat….Berto has been one of the better WW’s around despite critiques and his losses were in exciting battles he was young, fast and strong native to the weight when Guerrero came up and manhandled him… Yeah Guerrero has shown he can take and give a punch…. Berto knocked out MORE WW’s than Floyd Mayweather so whats the problem we know Roberts chin can take it, the issue is the sublime skills of FMJ making another World Class fighter look like a fool….If Guerrero does NOT belong at 147 after two recent fights in a row over solid opposition then why does Floyd belong at 154? he had 2 fights there in the past 6 years…. Bears is the KING of double standards the unmasking continues!

Posted April 23, 2013 2:25 pm 


BEARS.

why was trout still fluttering. he was drowning. have you ever seen someone drowning? how bad they flutter about in a panic? trout started getting his jaw jacked in round one compliments of a canelo uppercut and it continued throughout the fight. trout knows it. below you said you know it.

Posted April 23, 2013 2:21 pm 


BEARS.

is there some reason you cant answer who floyds best opponent has been? i guess you dont have an answer then. i guess his career and legacy isnt that great if you cant identify his best opponent among his string of awesome opponents (what a joke). pacmans beat floyds legacy with trilogies with morales and barrera. you know the ALL TIME GREATS. fighting trilogies. i would have to say marquez is floyds best opoonent wouldnt you? little marquez who floyd didnt make weight for and refused to weigh in fight night. who floyd was “bigger” than. cool. im glad i could help you along. just try to keep up. my nicca

Posted April 23, 2013 2:18 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, sorry you don’t know a beatdown when you see one… Guerrero but WAY more of an asswhipping on Berto who was down 2x and had his eyes completely shut… You are exaggerating TERRIBLY!! Trout had NOTHING to be ashamed of whatsoever he was making the fight the WHOLE night… If Canelo was so dominating then why was Trout throwing and throwing still pressing the action while Alvarez coasted the last round… Again I gave Canelo the fight but that was not even close to domination…. As for Mayweather opponents, he has many Genaro Hernandez when young, Diego Corrales who was then 33-0 and a monster puncher, Oscar De La Hoya 6 division Champion with ONLY losses to HOF fighters he was YOUNGER than Floyd when FMJ beat him in his 30’s, Miguel Cotto 3 division Champion who had 1 unavenged loss to the fighter of the Decade Manny Pacquiao and has fought almost EVERY name WW of the generation, Shane Mosley a 3 weight Champ who until Mayweather had only losses to highly regarded fighters like Vernon Forrest 2x, Winky Wright 2x both at 154 and was barely beat by undefeated Miguel Cotto…. He had knocked out never before stopped Tony Margarito before Floyd took him to school…. Juan Manuel Marqeuz who took Pacquiao apart, and had never been convincingly beaten in his life till Floyd beat him EVERY single round…. NOW you are gonna try to pivot to age, BUT let me remind you that you said age was not relevant when it served your Tony Thompson argument?? or you will try your nervous laugh “bahhaahha” or try and discuss your “PROPRIETARTY VIEW” of the tape…. AGAIN these guys are going to the HOF( Cotto, Marquez,Mosley and ODH, and Hernandez) all made their names climbing the ladder just like Floyd… He’s just better than ALL of them…!

Posted April 23, 2013 2:17 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, 147 is always going to be a respected division you idiot… You have 3 of the Top P4P fighters in the world fighting there… Marquez, Pacquaiao and Mayweather…. Tim Bradley was just in a FOTY candidate and he is set to fight Marquez who is seeking a 5th belt….You really don’t know a damn thing, Berto is ALWAYS in FOTY bouts, he and Ortiz, he and Guerrero if you are going to call a 4 weight Champ weak then what can we say about you? most though Berto would overpower Guerrero (I sure did) and instead Robert proved he belongs….If you are SOOOOO against guys moving up divisons then why are you so erect to see Floyd go up MORE after having fought in 5….. Guerrero has 2 fights at 147 already, back to back… Meanwhile Floyd has 2 over the course of 6 years at 154 but this is fine (double standard) you also want him to fight GGG, Martinez and Fury if possible right? Meanwhile you quiver when the idea of Vitali that Colossuss fighting David Haye who will be 40 pounds lighter….. All the Klit opponents are TINY by comparison or totally inept Mormeck, Wach, Pianeta, Charr… But Floyd is a bad guy for dishing a lineal Champion who called him out at 147 (Hatton) I see basically keep these guys away from his skills?? LMAO

Posted April 23, 2013 2:07 pm 


BEARS.

Who is floyd mayweather jr’s single BEST opponent. i mean for all the floyd nuthugger horde you would think they claim this illustrious career which they give these vague general descriptions of in some shabby attempt at exultation. but seriously. its a simple question. who is floyds single best opponent. answer now or cease your insatiable sack slurping.

Posted April 23, 2013 2:05 pm 


BEARS.

floyd was smaller against the washed up yes but your not looking at the entirety of fraud mayweathers career you just picked 3 guys. 3 washed up guys cotto, mosely, and oscar. LOL!!! can it get more washed up than that??? i dont think so. NEXT!

Posted April 23, 2013 2:03 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, as usual you are a terrible politician your stance on Compubox goes like this “if it favors Bears fighter its valid, if NOT then throw it out the window” you need to finally finish that community college before you try to sell something you cannot (your perspective) most of us know its no big deal, BUT I have seen you argue its validity and discuss the “Box Game” for 1000 boring posts until it augers against your boxe…. Just proving you’re a fraud…. The Klits rounds don’t matter they have lost FIGHTS, to their credit not very many between them but absent an OLD Lewis they had massive advantages and still could not finish… A QUIT job and getting knocked out by relative nobodies 3 times who had no real decorations (On Wlads part) shameful…. Floyd Mayweathers has faced more HOFERS and World Champs than the Klits EVER will in his 30’s and they cannot clip his wings… YES he is the face of boxing thats why he does financially massive live gates where people with REAL money fly in to see Greatness and PPV’s that generate upwards of 100 million dollars while the Klits fight in Siberia…. Canelos a very good young fighter but he just really got his FIRST credible win that should give him props for, but even Trout had a SCANT resume absent Cotto who Floyd moving up in weight defeated BEFORE him (more credit Mayweather)… Trouts a BIG 154 pound fighter, meanwhile Mayweather spotted Cotto AGE and Body Mass still winning.,… Like I have said 60% of Trouts current rep is based off Cotto, and in his very NEXT fight he lost to a 22 year old who had never gotten a name win at 154 pounds prior unless you count Shane Mosley who Mayweather defeated coming off his BIGGEST win in years? or Shane who had lost to Floyd, tied Sergio Mora (good grief) then lost BADLY to Pacquiao before Goldenboy threw him to Canelo to build his resume and spar with…..

Posted April 23, 2013 1:59 pm 


Proud African

@Sounds familiar. Trout was robbed – big time. After Mayweather has wiped the floor with Canelo, you Mayweather haters will conjure more opponents for him – even Goliath. Is Vitali scared of David Haye?

Posted April 23, 2013 1:52 pm 


SREDMOND

How is Floyd “usually bigger than all the guys he faces” thats NONSENSE prove that statement idiot… Floyd began his career at 130 pounds and he is about as close to WW as you will see on fight night in the modern era even during his 2 Jr MW fights (152 rehydrated against Oscar)…. AGAIN you are easy to destroy because I KNOW you don’t really follow Mayweather but here we go…Oscar, Shane, and Cotto were ALL bigger than Mayweather…. All like Floyd started lower but showed stopping power at 154 something Floyd has not shown alot of at 147… Ricky Hatton was an undefeated lineal Champion at 140, unlike Floyd Ricky NEVER fought below 140 as a pro he sought a challenge at 147 big deal??? You want Floyd after starting at 130 to fight Golovkin or Martinez at 160?? meanwhile Hatton came up one weight class to fight Mayweather who has titles in 5 divisions….You wanted Floyd to fight Pacquiao who started at 106 but its not OK to fight Hatton who started at 140, you used to want him to fight Khan who started at 135 and never fought above 140 BEFORE he got knocked cold by Garcia, you wanted him to fight Bradley previously before Provodnikov and Bradley was best at 140…. So whats the issue with him fighting then 44-0 Hatton at 147??? AHHHHH the difference is he stuck a knife in your back and destroyed Hatton… Gotcha…. AGAIN your standards are non-existent… Floyd fought Ortiz who is 10 years YOUNGER and was 14 pounds heavier fight night and he knocked him out….

Posted April 23, 2013 1:44 pm 


Aweirdo

If Canelo wants to fight the best then he should look to fight other guys in his division then call out maybe…Sergio Martinez and Co. in the middle weight division. Everyone is looking for the next big thing to go against Mayweather and it’s flat out ridiculous. Any time someone calls him out, some of you jump on the band wagon and ride it until the wheels fall off.
Anyone looking to fight Mayweather is looking to make money, not a name for themselves. Now what if Mayweather fights and destroys Canelo? Are you guys gonna say he should now fight someone else like a Froch, Ward or Dawson? Since some of you Mayweather “dislikers” get ridiculous, it won’t be a stretch for me to assume the Klitschkos will be in line for a Mayweather fight.

Posted April 23, 2013 1:40 pm 


Ghetto Thug

Money is affraid of Canelo huh?? and what will u say once Money kicks this guys ass?? He was too young and inexperienced, we will keep listening the same bullcrap over and over

Posted April 23, 2013 1:38 pm 


BEARS

To much sredmond saying the same things in multi paragraph posts. You only need read one post to get his message. Same with public enemy. Pub should be banned for multiposting to that degree. Fights are judged not just on compubox but ring generalship, aggresion, effect, and I would even throw in deffense. You have to look at any fight as a whole. If we based fights on compubox alone then vitaly klitschko never lot a round to lennox lewis as vitaly outlanded him every time. Come to hink of it he has never lost a round in his life. Wlad pronbably same story. But unlike the klitschkos trout was fluttering about keeping his hands going with with a ridiculusly high missing rate. And what he did land seemed so weak because he was just keeping his hands out there. You can’t judge any fight in the world on comubox alone not a street fight not a fight in the ring. Although to me compubox should indicate the winner most the time unless your a total ineffectual puncher. Compubox should be the indicator of the rest of the metrics and who’s winning. The ring generalship, the aggresion, the control. But it wasn’t in this case. These types of fights are more rare because compubox does usually indicate the winner. But in austin “the illusionists” trouts case it did not. Direct oposite against cotto. Trout waslanding with authority against canelo not at all.

Posted April 23, 2013 1:05 pm 


Public Enemy

Mex – Your PR wife and Boriqua kids are garbage then based on your filthy claim… shame on you.. May God forgive you.. LOL

Posted April 23, 2013 12:55 pm 


Public Enemy

Mex – Cotto didn’t come in heavier then Paq, don’t you remember they forced him to starve himself down to 144lbs.. LOL,

Posted April 23, 2013 12:53 pm 


SREDMOND

“I See Nothing” or whatever your name is, your post is incoherent but I will address “whatever” Canelos never going to get the Lions share of the purse that’s crazy to suggest… Floyd could make more money fighting Anyone than Canelo can on his biggest night facing guys in Texas selling cut rate tickets… It’s very likely these guys will fight because the money’s right at which point Canelo will do as instructed if he wants that PPV payday and exposure, if not he can keep doing live gates… I like Canelo but he had 00000 parity with FMJ emotions and affections cannot change facts it’s Floyd’s world he has belts in 2 weights and is best in the sport… Canelo is not even a P4P fighter yet get real….

Posted April 23, 2013 12:44 pm 


Mex

Public Enemy what about when Cotto came in heavier than Pac by a good margin but you fail to realize that….face it PR is garbage son!!

Posted April 23, 2013 12:27 pm 


Public Enemy

Did you watch Gabriel Rosado, KO Soto Karass? JuanMa KO Ponce Deleon, or Luevanu? Cintron Derail the Angjulo Hype Machine? Cotto Retire MargaCheato, Rocky Martinez Chase down that Running Mexican wearing the Camacho Shorts? LOL… Cotto went the distance with Mayweather, We’ll see what Canela does if he agrees to fight Mayweather at the same weight.. without Weight Gain Tricks..

Posted April 23, 2013 12:26 pm 


Sounds familiar

Proud African- yeah I remember you saying something similar about trout before he got marinated last weekend….

Posted April 23, 2013 12:22 pm 


Public Enemy

Damn!!!! Look at all those Fights Puerto Ricans have been in with Chihuahuas, and you didn’t list the hundreds where Puerto Ricans Kicked Mexican Culito Like Trinidad decapitating Vargas and Composs.. Amazing considering you claim Puerto Ricans are a non-factor in Boxing… ROFLM-True Latino-AO….

Posted April 23, 2013 12:21 pm 


Public Enemy

Didn’t Eric Morales test Positive for Steriods and Dieuretics vs DAnny Garcia??? LOL,

Posted April 23, 2013 12:19 pm 


Just the FACTS….

Public Embarrassment-“Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah…” is the smartest post you’ve had as of yet. What are you like 8yrs old?? Does your mom know you need mental help? I’ve never so much crap come out of one person from the opposite end of their rear. You’re borderline cookoo….you constantly accuse Canelo of having a padded record saying he beat nothing but Mexican taxi cab drivers prior to becoming a superstar attraction and yet all of the sudden those same meaningless cab drivers become a badge of “honor” if a PR fighter gets a win over one. Dude either your you got some chemical imbalance going on or your just a plain idiot. You should stop posting its just embarrassing. Last time I checked Ivan “Correlon” lost his “0” TWICE KO’D in PR by Segura and Moises Fuentes, Calderon rarely fought outside of PR cause he can’t draw flies out of the island, Vasquez Jr. lost his “0” KO’d by El Traveiso Arce, Junama Lopez lost his “0” got KO’d not once but TWICE by Orlando Salido AND then in typical Puerto Rican fashion unable to take his loss like a man cries out foul play against his own ref in HIS backyard. The most significant part of all this is that these were meaningful fights TITLE fights meaning your best vs our best….get it?? You cry about about Juanma beating some late substitute in Mexico last weekend and you pound your chest like he conquered Salvador Sanchez and JC Chavez in the same night. Dude do yourself a favor and just crawl into a whole and stay there.

Posted April 23, 2013 12:17 pm 


Public Enemy

Mex – You’re telling us that Danny Garcias last two fights weren’t impressive but Canelos performance vs featherfisted trout was????
I’m sure that this Saturdays fight with Danny Garcia vs Zab Judah will be a lot more impresive then Canelos unimpressive sparring session vs Trout where he ran out of gas and was helpless against the ropes.. Luckily Trout decided to go easy on him…

Posted April 23, 2013 12:14 pm 


Proud African

Floyd will beat Canelo silly and Canelo will never be the same fighter afterwards.

Posted April 23, 2013 11:45 am 


CurlyQ.Howard

Cantaloupe will never be ready for Mayweather.

Posted April 23, 2013 11:41 am 


Mex

PR is in the past…take a knee like Abner Cotto PE.

Posted April 23, 2013 11:36 am 


Mex

Mexico champs 29 …PR 1

Posted April 23, 2013 11:32 am 


jay

I dont remember Marquez losing any weight when he fought the 167-170 pounds Floyd who refused to weight in himself at fight night.

Posted April 23, 2013 11:22 am 


The El Paso Fight Prophet

murderman – Your Momma Jokes just reiterates what I said earlier. Your on Mama Support and you need to cut the umbilici cord.

Posted April 23, 2013 11:22 am 


Hidalgo

“A super skilled and determined fighter who’s still lethal at his age..” Which is exactly why Marquez should fight Mayweather again. After all, who do you think would win in a Marquez/Guerrero fight?

Posted April 23, 2013 11:21 am 


Public Enemy

Murderman – if she is Cuban she is a Latina…

Posted April 23, 2013 11:20 am 


Public Enemy

Jay – the fact is that Mexicans are notorious for Weight Loss dirty Tricks… just a fact amigo…

Posted April 23, 2013 11:19 am 


murderman

Public Enemey- She is cuban. Dude got me out my zone talking madness! That’s out of my charachter. Apologies to the real boxing fans like you who post and want to talk boxing instead of making personal attacks on people

Posted April 23, 2013 11:18 am 


Public Enemy

jay – How’s that any different then when a 175+lb MargaCheato fought a 150lb Cotto? or a 185+lb Chavez Jr.,fought a 165lb Martinez, A 170lb Canelo vs a 150lb Lopez??? All cheating and looking for an advantage.. all pussies and cheats…

Posted April 23, 2013 11:17 am 


jay

Canelo is only 22 years old and I think he can fight Floyd at a catchweight without any problems, BUT like Martinez who offer to fight Floyd at 147 pounds the fight never happened I wonder why….

Posted April 23, 2013 11:15 am 


Public Enemy

murderman – mexicans aren’t Latinos, they’re hispanics.. unless your Lady is Rican, Cuban or Dominican.. she’s a Hispanic, just like all Mexicans….

Posted April 23, 2013 11:12 am 


jay

Yeah like when he fought a 130 pounds Marquez…

Posted April 23, 2013 11:11 am 


Ray

Well to be fair Mayweather usually bullies the smaller mexicans too….just saying. The Cottos…. well that just genetics. they are small in stature. stick to your lightweight and featherweight classes. Quit going up to face bigger Mexicans and if you do get beat then take it like a man or go back down in weight.

Posted April 23, 2013 11:09 am 


murderman

The El Paso Fight Prophet – Actually I stay w your mom time to time! I love Latino’s! My fiance she is Latina actually. No other handle except murderman. Now me being the player and gentleman I am ill even let you have the last word amigo!

Posted April 23, 2013 11:08 am 


jay

But Cotto fought Floyd at 154 what the hell are you talking about…

Posted April 23, 2013 11:07 am 


The El Paso Fight Prophet

public enemy – Sounds like our obsessed with size issues.

Posted April 23, 2013 11:06 am 


Ray

Give Canelo credit. He used more head movement and made Trout miss alot. That tells you alot that Canelo is a smart fighter. He dropped Trout. What do you expect? CANELO WON.

Posted April 23, 2013 11:06 am 


Public Enemy

These Mexican Boxing Fans want to bully the Mayweathers, Cottos who naturally weigh 147lbs to fight their Guys like Chavez Jr. and Canelo who naturally weight 175+lbs???? How nice??? we already saw what happened when Chavez Jr. fought an older Martinez closer to his size.. Why won’t Canelo fight the guys his true size??? because they know damn well what will happen… but sooner or later he will have to take one of them on.. can’t run forever…

Posted April 23, 2013 11:03 am 


Ray

Trout made no excuses. So why is everyone else looking for excuses? Trout this, Trout that…. Trout just could not connect to Alvarez because he (Canelo) used more head movement!@ Get that through your thick skulls!!! Canelo would bait Trout to the ropes and when Trout tried to corner him he found a Lion waiting to devour him. For the most part Trout maintained the DISTANCE! That was his gameplan. Box Canelo from the outside. Instead, Canelo countered, Moved more and baited him to get in close to him on the ropes. Thats when Trout made the mistake of gettin in close and…… the chicken dancing Trout showed up!…lol

Posted April 23, 2013 11:02 am 


jay

Floyd with the HELP of HBO and Oscar de la hbo INVENTED the so call in there favor Catchweight and now they are not talking about it.

Posted April 23, 2013 11:01 am 


Public Enemy

SREDMOND – the fact remains that Puerto Rico, the Smallest Spanish Speaking nation on the Planet.. probably the second smallest Nation period on the planet has and continues to consitently produce world class caliber Boxers who compete with the Best Boxers on the Planet and produce Champions at a higher per capita rate then the Largest Spanish Speaking Country Mexico, this just drives the Mexican Boxing Fans Nuts… it’s always been like that and will never change… it is what it is….

Posted April 23, 2013 10:58 am 


jay

Floyd DIDN’T have problem going up in weight to fight 154 Cotto in his prime, Canelo is only 22 years old and they can meet at a CATCHWEIGHT remember the ones Floyd INVENTED.

Posted April 23, 2013 10:58 am 


The El Paso Fight Prophet

murderman – why you have to get so hostile dude, Kind of hard to take you serious with all the crap you put out. I bet you live in your moms basement and have no skills and nothing better to do than hate Latino Fighters. And who cares about getting to know you and that other Wienie eater handle you go by. Most of us just want to see you go away.

Posted April 23, 2013 10:54 am 


murderman

Guy like me? 1st off partner you dont know me! 2nd im not a mayweather fan im just stating facts that canelo is too big for floyd. Floyd should give up his belt cause he will not defend it he will saty at 147 as he should. And me being a former all around athelete i know plenty about boxing jack ass!

Posted April 23, 2013 10:47 am 


Public Enemy

SREDMOND – Unlike the Bias Towards PR’s from our Resident Chihuahuas like Tumbo, Mex, etc etc etc.. you don’t feel it’s 100% too??? It’s all in fun and if I don’t take on these bullys who will???? but the fact remains that most of what I put is based on Facts so it’s hard for them to counter.. I have an opinion and I posted it pre-fght that there was a possibility that Trout may come to just get a Pay-check.. Trout fought very timidly and no way was this fight as tough and grueling as the Cotto fight.. This fight looked like a glorified sparring session just like the Mosely vs Canelo fight, with Trout holding back when he literally had Canelo up against the Ropes tired and gassed out…

Posted April 23, 2013 10:47 am 


I see Good

SEREDMOND He WHO holds the GOLD makes the RULES.. I dont see the WBC, WBA or the RING belt STRAP to MAYWEATHER!!!!! Canelo has them NOT MAYWEATHER… As I see it the PURSE the LIONS SHARE WOULD go to CANELO.. Cherry Picker Mayweather WILL never FIGHT Canelo like he dodge PACMAN. To dangerous, The JIG is up CHERRY PICKER has been EXPOSED the PUBLIC has woken up. Yes Mayweather is all that and a BAG of CHIPS he truly GREAT. But his opponents are HAND PICK. I use to admire him, but NOW I know hes about FIGHTS fighters (EX CHAMPS) way past their prime. Yes he is a MASTER of disguise alright. Watch him MAKE exscues NOT to FIGHT Canelo or Canelo must fight a 147. ha ha ha ha Chicken chicken MAYWEATHER even his Followers are second doubting the CHERRY PICKER. He has been EXPOSED

Posted April 23, 2013 10:43 am 


SREDMOND

Public Enemy, we have had some decent discussions on the past but when it comes to Mexican Fighters you make your bias 100% clear during your slugfests with Te Tumbo.. To suggest that Trout was “paid off” is just pure unsubstantiated negativity he did not get the job done … Christodolou card obscured a very good event between a couple of prime fighters, but IMO the right guy won…Trout flicking a jab all night, doing no damage and being shaken several times and put down cost him the bout..Again I interpret that fire in your belly as Nationalistic pride and rivalry… Your posts leave me no other logical conclusion, you pretty much doused the thread in your opinion of Mexican fighters.. It’s pretty cut and dry where you stand… This is not about justice for Trout who conceded the loss it’s about bashing Canelo for you..

Posted April 23, 2013 10:42 am 


The El Paso Fight Prophet

Murderman – So let me get this right, You believe that because He is Floyd he can have a current 154 pound title but not have to defend it if the guys weighs more on fight night. You must be new to boxing so let me update you. There are no current rules against weighing more than your opponent on fight night as long as you make weight the day before so every thing after is rubbish excuses Floyd uses for Cherry Picking. I guess we should get excited about a Floyd vs Gamboa 50 Cent Grudge match. Guys like you should stick to watching wrestling.

Posted April 23, 2013 10:41 am 


Ray

All those still upset about Canelo winning, are the same people that said he would get exposed? What happened? Canelo showed more head movement because he is SMART and knew that Trout would throw jabs. Canelo adapted and even Trout said he didn’t expect Canelo would come out more SLICK. So shut up and quit whinning. Canelo exposed Trout and his gameplan and knocked him down. What do you expect? For the man that made the chicken dance to win?? What did Trout do other than throw that jab all night? CANELO WON.

Posted April 23, 2013 10:40 am 


Ray

Everyone relax. Mayweather WILL NOT fight Canelo. Mayweather has the skills but Canelo is a young and STRONG fighter. No way is Mayweather taking that fight.

Posted April 23, 2013 10:35 am 


murderman

Mayweather only weighted 6 more lbs than marquez when they fought. Floyd 150 Marquez 144. Floyd has never fought over 150 and isnt a natural middleweight. Canelo however is really a super middle weight fighting at junior middle weight hence him weighting 172lbs on fight night. So why would u ask floyd to fight a man 22 lbs heavier than him when no else is ask to do the same. Sounds like someone really hates floyd and wants him to lose so bad!

Posted April 23, 2013 10:31 am 


The El Paso Fight Prophet

Public Enemy – No need to make excuses for Floyd, He already does a good job of that himself. So I guess it’s ok For Floyd Who was current 154 pound Champ to fight Marquez who was current 135 pound champ. You gave floyd all the credit for beating a Marquez who had no previous fights at a higher weigh class and who was out sized in every Department. Floyd had alrady been at 154 for several fights. All of Sudden Now Floyd Is to Small for 154 so he drops down to fight a guy coming up from light weight. Pathetic Nutt Hugger Fans of Floyd will Soon Be gone like the pactards.

Posted April 23, 2013 10:22 am 


Public Enemy

Public Enemy below = Mex or Tumbo.. poor little Chihuahuas, can’t handle the facts and the truth.. LOL

Posted April 23, 2013 10:17 am 


Public Enemy

Adrian, sure I have issues with Canelo, he’s obvisously been raised on a steady diet of the best Steriods south of the border, he’s using the Tijuana Weight Gain Trick most of your Mexican Compadress use like Chavez Cheato Jr. and Mayweather has already gone on Record saying he wants same day weighin if he fights Canelo…. because Canelo comes into the Ring weighing 170+lbs… same old sht.. cheaters to the end..

Posted April 23, 2013 10:08 am 


Public Enemy

Mex – Paquiao has Kicked alot of Mexican Culito as well and put many Chihuahuas to sleep.. Anyone can land a lucky shot and no doubt that Mexican was on Heavy Steriods… wasn’t he the one drinking his own Piss???? to keep that good sht in his system?? LOL, bunch of cheaters..

Posted April 23, 2013 10:04 am 


SREDMOND

Mex, we will see what he does I like him and when he was trying to make bouts with Williams and Kirkland I respected that… But accounting for what he will do going forward is anybodys guess he’s being guided we will see how it plays out..

Posted April 23, 2013 9:52 am 


SREDMOND

Bears, does not REALLY believe in anything he’s is discussing the Alvarez/ Trout like it was utter domination for Canelo because that’s who he favors.. Anyone who has seen this idiots posts previously knows that he almost religiously believes in Compubox WHEN (this is the key) it favors the fighter he’s going for… Trout was far mor active on Compubox , yet Bears dismisses his cult like reverence for the tool because he was NOT rooting for Trout… I thought Canelo won, but it was reasonably close 115-113 ie 7-5 plus or minus one… Bears where is your love of Compubox now? Or do you FINALLY concede its not the most accurate barometer of a fight you silly amateur…???Again the mans stances shift like the wind… Floyd’s too big for the BIGGER Guerrero but just the right size for the MUCH BIGGER Martinez or GGG..? Typical ESB double speaker

Posted April 23, 2013 9:50 am 


Mex

I agree Canelo is good but not great. But every fight he takes on he’s improving and he will not duck anybody like most fighters now and days.

Posted April 23, 2013 9:44 am 


SREDMOND

This Mexico vs PR rivalry is corny, both countries have produced Great fighters… Canelo won last weekend but he’s not yet even close to being called “Great” he’s a very good YOUNG fighter..He still has a lot to learn and one of the knocks on him is a number of bouts against guys not native to the division or demonstrably smaller in body mass… Trout was a good win, wher he showed some new wrinkles but he did not truly dominate Trout where its inconceivable that they could ever fight again…I like Canelo but he’s still got a lot to learn..

Posted April 23, 2013 9:36 am 


Mex

Public Enemy after Pac wakes up ask him if Mexico hasn’t produced a top fighter in a decade….Son you must be living under a rock..

Posted April 23, 2013 9:24 am 


SREDMOND

Anyone doubting or dismissing Marquez should be banned for lack of a credible opinion he’s one of the best to ever lace up… A super skilled and determined fighter who’s still lethal at his age..

Posted April 23, 2013 9:16 am 


SREDMOND

Bears, get with the program is Canelo wants a mega PPV payday against Floyd Mayweather he’s gonna do what he’s told and that’s the hard part of doing biz with a living legend who’s still on top…If Canelo retired today what would happen? He would be remembered as a good young fighter, who beat Trout, who beat Cotto AFTER Mayweather UDed him in the preceding bout… You WORSHIP Floyd Mayweather when you were trying to inflate Klitschkos importance you called him “A HW Floyd Mayweather” and obvious homage to FMJ’s skills..Floyd’s faced countless World Champions (current and former) this is not Wlad Klits who had to get knocked out by 3 forgettable fighters in order to find his legs…Mayweathers maintained perfection while beating BETTER caliber fighters than your heroes.. Imagine Floyd Mayweather getting knocked out by a Ross Purrity or Corrie Sanders equivalent at any of his fighting weights?? never! Floyd wak knocking an established champ like Genaro Hernandez when he was a mere 22 or so…

Posted April 23, 2013 9:14 am 


Mex

Public Enemy…Marquez is one of the best on this planet.

Posted April 23, 2013 9:05 am 


SREDMOND

Bears, is the same flip flopping poster, who is terrified of seeing 6″8 250 pound Vitali Klitschko face David Haye who he towers over 5 inches and outweighs by 40 pounds of muscle.. Bears is the same guy who says that Mayeather and Pacquaio are on the way down but Floyd should disadvantage himself fighting MW’s… If Floyds such a terrible fighter and “fake” then why’s it so important for everyone to face him within a 20 pound radius? Is it the cars, the jewels, money and houses none of that matters when he gets in the ring and boxes guys silly.. Floyd’s got a belt at 147 and he’s defending it against a 4 weight Champ who was MORE convincing against a better known fighter than Trout who’s rep was 60% based off Cotto… Gurrero was attacking and fighting HARD for 12 full rounds.. Canelo won but he was coasting in the 12th with that ridiculous open scoring

Posted April 23, 2013 9:02 am 


SREDMOND

Bears, who’s making excuses I’m saying Floyd should be cognizant of how big Canelo comes to the ring and not concede 20 pounds… You clearly did not watch Guerrero against Berto he is rock solid at 147 pounds in magnificent shape… He’s likely gonna be denser than Floyd fight night but Im glad you raised the point it shows how double sided your theories are…You pretend Guerrero who is taller than Floyd and will be the same weight or bigger when they scrap is tiny but you can’t admit the obvious which is Canelo was 20 pounds heavier fight night than Floyd has ever been recorded (152) against Oscar De La Hoya…You were crying for Floyd who came from 130 to fight Martinez at 160?? The pattern is clear No one is too big for Floyd, but Floyd’s too big for everyone, meanwhile people who REALLY follow the division not Johnny Come latelys like yourself know he’s considered a small welter… No matter size aside its clear that the plodding Alvarez is NOT on his level! I say let them fight.!

Posted April 23, 2013 8:53 am 


NoID

Bears sounds like he desperately wants to blow GGG.

Posted April 23, 2013 8:39 am 


Adrian

@Public enemy , so you have no issues about possible mayweather vs Canelo like weight and other bs? If not then let’s hope the fight happen ….but somehow I have a feeling and I see signs here of escuses from some diehard mayweather fans, I just hope this possible match up don’t turn like paqiao mayweather bs

Posted April 23, 2013 8:02 am 


Beej

I’m also seeing what i suspect to be a new urban myth re Canelo’s in -ring weight. Mooted as 172 /3 lbs!!! WTF? So the hardly tall, Alvarez (5 7 1/2) was some 8 pounds heavier than the inch and a half taller, broad -backed, muscle packed Ortiz (164 for Floyd) ??!!

I’d have to see the scale ‘personally’ as Canelo would have looked like a friggin’ bodybuilder come fight night and he was still a similar size to Trout!! Lol!!

Posted April 23, 2013 5:25 am 


Beej

test

Posted April 23, 2013 5:22 am 


Ray Ray

The ghost or Alvarez or who ever…..short answer is no Canelo won’t beat Mayweather although he is as ready as he can be?

Posted April 23, 2013 5:17 am 


Adrian

Bob arum is not Canelo ‘s promoter so they can’t blame arum for not making the fight with Canelo ,it is simple if mayweather thinks Canelo is to big for him than he shouldn’t fight at 154 plain and simple ,like mike Tyson said “nobody asks how much they weight if they fight in the streets”!

Posted April 23, 2013 4:11 am 


BEARS

mayweather will fight the unified 154 pound champ strait up or mayweather will do a bowe and throw his strap in the garbage cause a real fight has SMASHED ON THE SCENE BABY!!

Posted April 23, 2013 2:33 am 


Jay

Canelo is 100 times better and more ready than Guerrero

Posted April 23, 2013 2:24 am 


B Red

@BEARS, Floyd against Canelo with the same day weigh in like the old days

Posted April 23, 2013 2:23 am 


BEARS

floyd mayweather jr. “he looks more formidable then pac to me now, if im gonna fight canelo i want 1 billion dollars, yes 1 billion. i have to make a living. he can sell tortillas in mexico. but what am i gonna do if i loose”

Posted April 23, 2013 2:08 am 


BEARS

I dont know about this mexican puerto rican thing and really i dont care about the history. theres other boxing history i would rather pay attention to. but i will say this. canelo vs floyd is not paramount at 154. there is nothing that can even come close to being more important. there is nothing more important at 147. guerrero is leagues beneath importance to canelo even. after saturdays bout roger was calling floyd senior. it shockwaves through he mayweather family. they were all scared. floyd first and foremost went into excuse over drive as to why he doesnt have to and shouldnt have to face canelo. there wondering what opponent they can conjure up at 130 something or 120 something…..who they can tell to get a fat belly for an easy pay day at 147………..they needs some filler. they dont want canelo. especially jr he’s like he was with pacman. “but i have to make aliving, what if i loose?”

Posted April 23, 2013 2:07 am 


Just the FACTS….

Tark-everybody’s entitled to say whatever they like but it doesn’t take away from the fact that they were legends and they proved it in the ring period.

Posted April 23, 2013 1:51 am 


TARK

Right… And Rosendo beat the crap out of Lopez both times.. Corrupt officials robbed him of course.. The only name fighter Lopez ever had a chance to meet was Michael Carbajal, for more money than he ever made in his career fighting anyone else… Lopez wasn’t interested in fighting Carbajal… Lopez was a great fighter, but he picked his spots and had help maintaining his udefeated record … Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. was also the recipient of gifts in fights vs Pernell Whitaker and Frankie Randall.

Posted April 23, 2013 1:36 am 


te tumbo

when it comes to historic beatdowns of PR fighters, Ramirez’s brief but memorable slugest v. Rosario in SJ, PR comes to mind. Mexican ring-warriors have been traveling to the heart of PR to kick some ass and collect a paycheck since way back. anyway, Ramirez gets up from the canvas twice, warmed-up, and ready to rumble, which he proceeds to do by mercilessly pounding Rosario until he turns his back and leans helplessly against the ring post until the referee jumps in and calls a halt to the bout. FOY of 1984.

Posted April 23, 2013 1:35 am 


Just the FACTS….

Dino-yes I missed Benitez he had split decision win over Carlos Palomino in PR.

Posted April 23, 2013 1:33 am 


Just the FACTS….

Zurdo- Nobody dominated Finito Lopez he retired with his “0” intact but his most formidable opponent was definitely Nicaraguen Rosendo “El Bufalo” Alvarez. They fought to a draw and rematched with Lopez winning by split decision.

Posted April 23, 2013 1:25 am 


Fight Aficionado

Vivek,, doesn’t matter if the “decks were stacked” against Trout. He lost fair and square. The judges’ scorecards were maybe a bit tilted to Canelo but no rational person can make a case for a robbery, as some dorks here at ESB were claiming afterwards. Canelo outboxed and outslugged Trout whose punches had utterly no effect on Canelo. The end.

Posted April 23, 2013 1:09 am 


The Best!

Canelos defence improved by 100% that was pretty much what he was lacking and it looks like he has found it. I am now convinced Canelo would beat Mayweather. People need to remember that at 154 Mayweather cannot hurt anybody, but I cannot say the same about Canelo. I think he would actually hurt Mayweather if they fought. I think Canelo can only get better where Mayweather can only get older and slower.

Posted April 23, 2013 1:08 am 


Adrian

I meant ,mayweather has a better chance against Canelo than against paqiao ..

Posted April 23, 2013 12:28 am 


Adrian

Lol ….newsflash !!!! Guess who is asking to change another boxing rule???supprise ,Mayweather fans now suddenly want a weigh in at the fight night but it was ok for mayweather to be so much heavier than Marquez …that is so obvious that they got scared of Canelo who btw I think floyed has a better chance to win the fight paqiao be aide of his speed and boxing skills…

Posted April 23, 2013 12:27 am 


Ghetto Thug

Los putorriqueños nos pelan la verga y las putoriqueñas nos maman la verga

Posted April 22, 2013 11:40 pm 


zurdo40

Just the Facts – What top puerto rican (or not puerto rican) Dominated Ricardo Lopez???

Posted April 22, 2013 11:23 pm 


zurdo40

The threads and articles are about mexican fighters and their rivals, there are not puerto rican fighters that worth attention. The note about Hector Camacho was the last relevant. Some puerto rico fans must go to look espn classic and watch benitez or gomez i dont know.

Posted April 22, 2013 11:12 pm 


LAperro

Public Enemy, last year alone Mexicans fighters put a real whipping and the big mouth fighters from PUERTO RICO….Segura destroyed Calderon twice in PR and so did Salcido who traveled to PR to masacre Lopez,,,,poor Lopez he took a beating so bad he blamed the lost on the referi…Canelo TKO Cotto’s brother and so on….Lets be real even today Panama has more Champions the Puerto Rico …..not 20 years ago..TODAY,,..Why dont you buy the Ring Magazine an see who has the most World Champions, its MEXICO with 29 and the USA second with 27….Oh if you want to go back 15 years back, your daddy CHAVEZ SR ate puerto rican meat for lunch like Rosario, Camacho(rest in peace), Fuente and so on….Cuando pases por Mexico pendejo, di que eres Cubano si no te llevas una PUTIZA..VIVA MEXICO

Posted April 22, 2013 10:48 pm 


Public Enemy

Mex – Mexico is the Largest Spanish Speaking Nation and Puerto Rico the Smallest.. How is it that tiny Puerto Rico continues to produce so many Quality Boxers????????????????

Posted April 22, 2013 10:33 pm 


I see Good

If Canelo had a BRAIN, he would go under the tutaldge of MAYWEATHER . There FLOYD could TEACH Canelo how to CHERRY PICK opponents KEEP a perfect record and FOOL the PUBLIC.. Yes Mayweather is a great fighter, but a better DODGER than anybody in the game. as I see it FLOYD needs Canelo, People have WOKE up to CHERRY PICKING Mayweather, this Geurrero fight will FLOP at the BOX OFFICE.. No brainer, Gee I wonder WHO will WIN. Now thats a tough one. Yes FLOYD really PICKS the TOUGH guys the CREAM of the TOP. Yes Mayweather had us all FOOL, the PUBLIC is starting to WAKE UP.

Posted April 22, 2013 10:24 pm 


Mex

You talk about sizes of countries but at end of the day its one on one in a square ring mano to mano…and Mexicans always on top…one name ..Salvador Sanchez!!! You Ricans tremble when you hear that name..lmao!!

Posted April 22, 2013 9:49 pm 


TARK

Only if Canelo can’t get a Mayweather fight will he fight Cotto.. Trout whipped Cotto as conclusively as Floyd did, and Cotto has 2 lopsided losses in a row — so the next logical step for Alvarez is not Cotto… Poor Cotto, that would be piling on and another raw steak for a face.

Hmmm… So if Floyd beats Guerrero without any problems what is the most interesting fight out there to make? Doesn’t take a genius.

Posted April 22, 2013 9:45 pm 


Miatestomper

Public Enemy enough is enough go find a job or something your to occupied with Mexicans on this board you sound like a bitter loser

Posted April 22, 2013 9:00 pm 


Public Enemy

Based on it’s size no other country has produced more top Boxing Champions than tiny Puerto Rico.. Mexico would have to produce 1000 times more Champions to compete with Puerto Rico on a per capita comparison.. Just the facts.. LOL

Posted April 22, 2013 8:48 pm 


Dino

PR fighters have starched many Mexicans, on thier way to the top, true, alot of the Sper fights were won by Mexicans but the Island of PR have produced many a Great warrior as well.

Posted April 22, 2013 8:45 pm 


MNboxingFAN – Sean

Cotto and Trout should have a rematch. Mayweather and Canelo would be a great fight, but I wouldn’t bet on it… not yet. I think Mayweather would rather wait and build towards that fight at the end of his contract with Showtime.

Posted April 22, 2013 8:42 pm 


Dino

JUST THE FACTS,,,I am Puerto Rican and I will say this , you done some homework I see. You forgot one Great PR Champ, Wilfredo Benitez.

Posted April 22, 2013 8:41 pm 


Just the FACTS….

PE you talk so much nonsense it’s just sad

Posted April 22, 2013 8:29 pm 


Just the FACTS….

If you read carefully you would see that I didn’t mention any top Mexican fighter beating Trinidad.

Posted April 22, 2013 8:25 pm 


Public Enemy

Just the facts – Everyone now knows Chavez Sr. was the original Tijuana Glove Loader.. tought the Margacheato camp everything he knew about loading Wraps and Gloves…

Posted April 22, 2013 8:25 pm 


TARK

Puerto Ricans do get great wins over great Mexican fighters occasionally. It’s definitely a rivalry. I think Wilfredo Gomez pretty much took care of Carlos Zarate. Zarate was only about 60-0 going into the fight.. With about 55 KO’s or so.

Posted April 22, 2013 8:24 pm 


Public Enemy

Just the Facts – What top Mexican Dominated Tito Trinidad???

Posted April 22, 2013 8:23 pm 


chapo610

canelo looked drained n i think is just he worn out i mean 40 plus fights at 22 thats crazy as for fighting cotto i would ride with cotto trout throws a lot but nothing lands cotto lands i really due think if canelo got caught flush he would panic

Posted April 22, 2013 8:00 pm 


Martin “EL BRUCHADOR” Honorio

Vivek speaks the truth here!

Posted April 22, 2013 7:57 pm 


TARK

Tumbo… Both fighters were unmarked. I was pulling for Canelo to win. I want to see Floyd-Canelo as bad as you do. But you gave Trout only 4 rounds. Trout threw and landed many more punches—and forced the fight in most rounds. That’s how you win if you’re behind. You throw a lot more punches than there are openings for because you have to land more punches to catch up. I gave AT 7 rounds and a 114-113 edge which reflects reality. You don’t get points for making someone miss punches unless you’re fighting, countering or exchanging. It’s a fight. I don’t a problem with 115-112, 114-113, or 114-114 scores. One of the judges and the entire team of commentators had it very close, with one scoring 114-114. But you’re getting into gift territory when you start giving Alvarez 8 or 10 rounds—or if you give him so many early rounds that Trout is floored by the scores—and has to transform into a GGG type puncher or a Rios type attacker to have a chance to win.. Cinnamon fought a very smart fight given his knowledge of the scorecards and Trout’s talent deficiencies. I’m not blaming SA for prevent defense, or taking anything away from his victory. The judging sucked, and Canelo didn’t have anything to do with that.

Posted April 22, 2013 7:52 pm 


Public Enemy

So you all believe Canelo is going to be the Mexican Savior to bring Mexico back to it’s days of Boxing Glory???? Hmmm.. we shall see… I think he will implode like all of the other hyped Mexican Boxers that have come over the past decade… sooner or later but he will implode and I will be here to remind you he was nothing special…

Posted April 22, 2013 7:50 pm 


te tumbo

Trout MISSED about 80% of his punches, which is borne out by the utter lack of evidence on Canelo’s face to indicate ANY contact with Trout’s gloves. not even a single abrasion. Canelo was also able to successfully flipped-the-script on Trout and force him to assume the unfamiliar role of “aggressor” with predictable results. Trout simply couldn’t touch Canelo in that mode while Canelo simply picked and placed his shots. easy, risk-free work for Canelo and a convincing win. just ask Trout.

Posted April 22, 2013 7:41 pm 


BEARS

I know your calling it like you see it. i just disagree with that inference. im more with tumbo on this one. i watched the fight live. judging a fight is subjective and it was hard for me to give trout many rounds. his ineffective fluttering and inaccurate punching did not impress me

Posted April 22, 2013 7:41 pm 


deven

My first take on the fight is that trout won. However I watched it on my computer so I will watch again without issue and make a determination. Mayweather should beat canelo easily if he does not fight toe to toe .

Posted April 22, 2013 7:30 pm 


Dino

BMAN, I saw that too, Canelo took a few rounds off with his hands hanging low and was not throwing many punches, he was taking deep breathes too, he got tired and for the rest of of fight he fought in sperts. Trouts big mistake was that he left it to the judges, he should have jumped on Canelo when Canelo took those rounds off. I think that if Cotto boxes and moves he might win on points but Cotto is known for gasing out late at times so that will be a tall order. Mayweather does not have to play games, he should beat the Guerrero and go right after Canelo before his hour glass runs out.

Posted April 22, 2013 7:23 pm 


te tumbo

116-111 is an accurate and objective score for this fight. not every win needs to be distinguished by breakaway skills and talent. bottomline, Trout was no pushover but he was too limited to stretch or even remotely threaten Canelo who picked and placed his shots, decked, and wobbled Trout throughout while making him repeatedly miss bundles of punches along the way. it was a superior performance that Trout didn’t even come remotely close to overcoming. his primary accomplishment was that he ended the fight on his feet. otherwise, Canelo “shocked” Trout. “He boxed a lot better . . . He moved a lot better . . . He was quicker. He was stronger . . . He was the better man” and that’s according to Trout himself. it is the depth of absurdity to argue with the man who was actually in the ring v. Canelo and LOST.

Posted April 22, 2013 6:44 pm 


TARK

As far as Alvarez’s stamina and activity rate? His stamina is fine and his activity rate was appropriate given his knowledge of the scorecards. He did the smart thing.

He could afford to hang back and play prevent defense. He was getting a lot of big chances because Trout needed to force exchanges and get a KO. It worked for the kid. Trout is a boxer, not a big banger and not a very good attacker — so the public scoring took him way out of his element.

You know for for an absolute certainty that Floyd will not be fighting Canelo in Texas, and that Stanley Christadooloo will not be one of the judges.

Posted April 22, 2013 6:30 pm 


TARK

Bears…. You know I’m fair and I don’t lean one way or another, and that I picked Canelo to win a very close fight. It WAS very close because Trout landed and threw more punches — and Trout was the aggressor most of the way. Alvarez negated some of that numerical advantage by landing more damaging punches in some rounds as Trout tried desperately to catch up. Two of the judges were in Zu Zu Land for 8 rounds. They definitely gave Alvarez rounds That objectively belonged to Trout … This is Boxing. It happens. This fight was definitely not the route that 2 judges made it.

Posted April 22, 2013 6:17 pm 


Jack Jones

Canelo is good but. But trout let him of the hook, fought too timid, I kept yelling get in there step on the gas. Canelo is tired, dancing and moving his head was just to buy time. He’s not elite. You can’t dance around against Pacquiao, Mayweather, Marquez, Ward. You will get picked apart and knocked out. Canelo fought in sperts for it to be his biggest fight ever.

Posted April 22, 2013 6:15 pm 


Mex

And now they say Juan ma back..G.T.F.O

Posted April 22, 2013 4:58 pm 


Mex

Taco vendors Juan ma beat…Lmao

Posted April 22, 2013 4:54 pm 


Serviviente

I am a fan of Cotto but it is pretty simple…Cotto is in the downside of his career while Canelo is the young lion. Having said that Cotto in his prime would have beating Canelo easily. Too much boxing, too many skills for cheese stick boy.

Posted April 22, 2013 4:53 pm 


te tumbo

“Eric Morales? Soto Karas?? that Mexican?? that undefeated Mexican??” you mean the B- and C-list of Mexican fighters? or as you more commonly refer to them, the “cabdrivers” and “taco vendors” that you’re constantly claiming Canelo’s ring-resume is padded with? like i said, the best response to your nonsense is no response at all. not even i can make you look like a bigger imbecile than the one you portray on these message boards with nothing but your own deeply bitter insecurity to nudge you along (with an occasional and factual assist from me).

Posted April 22, 2013 4:49 pm 


KANGRI

Cotto would be better off fighting Ishe Smith IMO

Posted April 22, 2013 4:42 pm 


Mex

Who is Cottos next fight…can’t be Canelo cause once Canelo k.os Cotto Mayweather will not want any part of Canelo.

Posted April 22, 2013 4:39 pm 


Public Enemy

tumbo – Canelo has not made the Money Cotto has made in his fights.. NOPE sorry brother..

Posted April 22, 2013 4:39 pm 


Public Enemy

So Tumbo, you’re OK with Young Danny Garcia taking out Eric Morales leaving him dead over the Bottom rope of the ring?? Don’t want that humiliating loss avenged?? Or Gabriel Rosado leaving Soto Karas dead in corner helpless?? or JuanMa KO’d that Mexican in Mexico?? Or Rocky Martinez beating that undefeated Mexican?? LOL

Posted April 22, 2013 4:38 pm 


Public Enemy

yeah tumbo “What PR vs Mexico” rivalry, that doesn’t exist.. LOL.. not even Mex would buy that bullsht…

Posted April 22, 2013 4:35 pm 


Public Enemy

tumbo – Cotto has proven he doesn’t fear anyone and it’s time to make the Fight.. Canelo has stepped up and because he did beat Trout, something Cotto didn’t do it’ll make it interesting for Cotto… It’s also a guranteed sht load of money to be made.. not too many more options for cotto at this stage…

Posted April 22, 2013 4:33 pm 


te tumbo

Cotto will not dare accept a final payday to face Canelo. even prior to being victimized v. Trout, Cotto was an undersized, ringworn, and permanently Margarito-damaged gatekeeper at 154lbs. that profile has only been reinforced following his loss to Trout. an Alvarez v. Cotto matchup can only end in one way and there aren’t enough fanboy tears to spill over the demolition-job that Canelo would execute v. Cotto. a clean and career-ending KO, which would be an accurate status report on the “rivalry”, i.e., what “rivalry”?

Posted April 22, 2013 4:31 pm 


Public Enemy

Mex – Yes, I’m selling it on Ebay.. You wan’t to buy it for your Boriqua Wife???

Posted April 22, 2013 4:30 pm 


Public Enemy

Rios can’t keep fighting Alvarez, he’s going to end up in a Hospital with Brain Damage.. better look to make some big $$$ with some other style fighter.. the PR vs Mex thing is a guranteed huge $$$ for both..

Posted April 22, 2013 4:30 pm 


Mex

PE was that you trying to get an autograph from Canelo on ur PR glove.

Posted April 22, 2013 4:29 pm 


KANGRI

That would be a good scrap but I don’t see it happening due to promotional/network drama.

Posted April 22, 2013 4:27 pm 


Public Enemy

I like Zab, but Danny is going to take him out.. Zab loses it as the fight goes on.. I lived right over the Brooklyn Bridge.. Miss it.. going to be a good fight there.. Hopefully they make a Danny Garcia Bam Bam Rio fight if he gets pas Zab which I Think he will..

Posted April 22, 2013 4:26 pm 


KANGRI

PE- lol, yeah he wouldn’t have gotten away with that in NYC thats for sure. I’m heading over to Brooklyn for the Garcia/Zab fight this weekend.

Posted April 22, 2013 4:25 pm 


Public Enemy

It was a good weekend of Boxing.. I got all fired up.. even JuanMa made his comeback down in Mexico, so don’t tell me Boriquas won’t go to Mexico to fight… It’ll be interesting to see what he has left in his gas tank..

Posted April 22, 2013 4:23 pm 


Public Enemy

No, the cheating started with Panamanian Panama Lewis.. but Mexicans have perfected it.. LOL ;)

Posted April 22, 2013 4:22 pm 


Mex

Who started the cheating??? PR kid Luis Resto he from ur neighborhood….Marquez elite.

Posted April 22, 2013 4:20 pm 


Public Enemy

Tumbo – yes I give Canelo props for winning but lets be honest, and I do believe you have bene Canelo at this stage is just not ready for Mayweather but in my opinion would be a fool to turn down that Payday.. it’s all good and makes for some fun nights of Boxing… Canelo looks like a good kid.. we shall see..

Posted April 22, 2013 4:18 pm 


KANGRI

Canelo v Cotto would be a huge event, but I think Canelo has too much power for MC. Cotto would be a bloody mess… win or lose.

Posted April 22, 2013 4:16 pm 


Public Enemy

if Canelo is the one to retire Cotto so be it, the Mex fans would love it and hey if we can let Danny Garcia Retrie Eric Morales then we have to be cool with Canelo retiring Cotto, I won’t like it but I can’t be a hypocrate… and who knows, Cotto may pull off a surprise.. styles make fights and I know Cotto punches alot harder then Featherfisted Trout.. ask Mayweather who said Cotto hit him the hardest, felt like he was going to throw up…

Posted April 22, 2013 4:16 pm 


te tumbo

i seem to recall a lot of pre-fight posts claiming that “if Canelo defeats Trout, I’ll give him his props”. instead, a lot of spouting out of both sides of their mouths, e.g., Trout remains a big, talented, and difficult southpaw but Canelo remains a “?” mark after defeating him(?!?). makes no sense but nonsense is the primary contribution of 95% of ESB posters.

Posted April 22, 2013 4:15 pm 


KANGRI

Side NOTE (completely off topic): How about that kid from Alabama on the undercard (with the conferderate flag)? That was some funny stuff, I had just finished watching Django before the fight card and it made it that more more entertaining. :p

Posted April 22, 2013 4:14 pm 


BEARS

Public enemy- wrong. The difference b/t trout vs cotto and canelo vs trout is trout wooped canelo and the beating was clear even on cottos face. And canelo wooped trout. It was clear. As trout did the harlem shuffle and DROPPED after getting his jaw jacked. Majority of people like vivek the writer of this article and sports anlyst around the world knows canelo clearly won. Some delusional posters at east side but that’s the way it always is at east side

Posted April 22, 2013 4:10 pm 


Public Enemy

Kangri – Tito was a very good boxer but the guy was also a Gifted one punch KO Boxer who could KO opponents with either hand with one shot.. a rarety in boxing.. He used that one punch KO power to become a PR great, he was great for Boxing and Boxing Fans.. but because he became so great all young PR boxers on the Island wanted to follow in their idols footsteps.. and started to get away from the Gift all PR Boxers have naturaly and that’s Boxing Slickness.. and I agree they defintely need to focus more on training and strength.. But just like we have seen in juanMas case once you start relying just on Power Punching you start to lose your Boxing Slickness..

Posted April 22, 2013 4:09 pm 


I see Good

Well said BEARS well said NOT many here pick Canelo I DID read my posts. Trout was a better fighter than I thought. But remember TROUT look good because he FOUGHT a OLD PAST his PRIME cotto. Roy Jones Jr. said on NATIONAL TV. This KID Canelo is the FUTURE this KID BANGS HARD in both HANDS. Mayweather could TEACH Canelo how to BOX Mayweather is a BETTER fighter MORE SKILL in EVERY WAY .. But CANELO is TOO DANGEROUS because he CAN PUNCH and MAYWEATHER KNOWS it. Canelo is to RISKY, Money Mayweather is getting OLD people dont realise it. Even OLD MOSLEY CLOCK him. People are tired of paying GOOD hard earn money PPV to watch MAYWEATHER fight a BUM. The public has caught on to CHERRY PICKING MAYWEATHER.

Posted April 22, 2013 4:08 pm 


KANGRI

PE- i understand man, its tough not to return fire on alot of the BS that is written about the PR boxers on here, but its not going to end anytime soon regardless.

Posted April 22, 2013 4:07 pm 


te tumbo

“Is ‘Canelo’ ready for Mayweather . . .” is the wrong question. nobody that Mayweather has faced beyond lightweight has been truly “ready” for what he brings to the ring. is Canelo next in line is the most appropriate question but with so many untested and unprovens among his fellow 154lbrs the logical response is “no”. the only reason people insist on Floyd fighting way above his optimal fighting-weight is the hope that a tilted playing-field in favor of Floyd’s opponent will dilute Mayweather’s breakaway advantages in virtually every other category, i.e., matching a good little fighter v. a good bigger fighter. not my preference. particularly now that we can no longer assume that Floyd remains prime. the value of a win or loss v. Floyd becomes a difficult read. anyway, “NO”, the entire 154lb weight-class isn’t ready for Mayweather who i don’t want to see above 147lbs ever again.

Posted April 22, 2013 4:06 pm 


Public Enemy

Kangri – I have no problems with Mexicans, their Culture, their Food and their Ladies.. what I do have problem with is these Mexican Sore losers who believe that they must always minimize any PR’s accomplishments in Boxing to elavate their struggling Boxers.. so I give them a taste of their own medicine which we know they cannot deal with.. the fact remains that there has not been a true Mexican Great Fighter of the 80’s caliber in over a decade.. none.. just a fact.. and the few that were promising like Margacheato were proven to be Cheating..

Posted April 22, 2013 4:05 pm 


KANGRI

PE- Good point, what these young guys lack IMO is conditioning. Tito was not the best boxer but he was always in tip top shape, running marathons, etc. Some of these young guys rely too much on their boxing skills but run out of gas when confronted with top pressure fighter.

Posted April 22, 2013 4:04 pm 


Public Enemy

Kangri – what has messed UP PR boxers abit has been Tito Trinidad believe it or not.. Why? Because Pre Tito Trinidad PR Boxers were taught to Box like all the prior PR Greats.. after Tito Trinidad, all PR Boxers wanted to be KO Machines like JuanMa and got away from what made PR Boxers great which was their Boxing Slickness… PR Boxers need to get back to what makes them Great their Boxing Skills and not try to be the next Tito Trinidad…

Posted April 22, 2013 4:01 pm 


KANGRI

PE- I am with you on that point. I like the kid, but I do not think he Boxing’s “messiah” as some believe. Then again, who knows he might get better as his competition increases as he states. At the end of the day, he is a TOP Draw and he is willing to fight so that is good for me. Each country/ethnic group has the highest hopes for their boxers.

Posted April 22, 2013 3:59 pm 


Anonymous

more than 100 comments and only 2 worth reading: kid blast and largo. lots of childish stuff and nonsense otherwise.

Posted April 22, 2013 3:58 pm 


Public Enemy

Mex – Or like that Mexican JuanMa KO’d in Mexico City in front of Mexican Fans… LOL.. Abner Cotto was moving up in weight and the Mexican kid like most Mexicans had starved himself down to that weight.. what do you think that Kid will do vs Rigo? JuanMa or Gamboa??? he’ll be this generations Panchito Mojado…

Posted April 22, 2013 3:57 pm 


KANGRI

MEX- lets be honest brother. Anyone that thought Abner Cotto had a chance against Panterita was delusional. Does it matter that it was PR/MX. The rivalry is great, but there is a point where you can’t choose a winner just bc he is PR or MX.

Side Note: I am one of those that believe more PR boxers should consider leaving the Island and training with MX trainers like Nacho and R. Garcia. Orlandito Del Valle is doing currently training with Nacho and is loving it. I think its great, and not only MX trainers but trainers outside PR. PR has extremely talented boxers, but the Island is tiny and full of disctractions because there is nowhere to escape the press, street…etc.

Posted April 22, 2013 3:56 pm 


Public Enemy

Kangri – You can’t have it both ways, they can’t be claiming he’s the next coming of Chavez Sr. Duran, Whitiker but then get angry when people point out his flaws when elevated to such high Comparisons..
Wilfredo Bentitez won a World Championship at 17 years old.. So Canelo can’t get a Free pass at his flaws because he’s 22 years old…

Posted April 22, 2013 3:55 pm 


KANGRI

PE- the kid is only 22 years old. I can’t criticize him for who he fights because it is ultimately up to DLH and Schaeffer. He is obviously coached on what to say brother, its a business. Sure I would love to see him fight Lara, but the others are all at 160 and do not want to come down. To be honest though, the only folks I see him fighting at 154 who will give him issues are Floyd and GGG (if he chooses to drop down).

Posted April 22, 2013 3:48 pm 


Mex

Or like Omar put Abner Cotto away within 1 rd…

Posted April 22, 2013 3:32 pm 


Public Enemy

Canelo did slightly better then an old smaller damaged Cotto did vs Feather Fisted Trout.. The only real difference is that Canelo and Goldenboy paid for the Judges in this fight… it would make sense for Cotto and Canelo to go at it to see who is better and give Canelo an opportunity to put a way a top Rival Rican like Danny Garcia did to Eric Morales.. twice… It would make a ton of Money but Mayweather isn’t going to fight Canelo unless Canelo agrees to a to 147lb weight limit Weight gain restriction and Random Blood testing.. Something I don’t believe canelo would be able to do…

Posted April 22, 2013 3:24 pm 


TecateisBoxing

Guys get off the race baiting. I didn’t pick Sergio Martinez because I wanted Floyd protected, I picked Sergio Martinez because Serg is 38 years old. He doesn’t have that much time at the top, especially the way he fights, (With his hands down, depending too much on reflexes). We know Floyd is going to fight six more times and I feel that Floyd is too crafty for young Canelo. Boxing is a thinking mans sport, not a sport where you throw the most punches.

Posted April 22, 2013 3:21 pm 


Kid Blast

Soon but not quite yet. Let him slaughter Cotto first and let Floyd get beat up a bit by The Ghost. Wait until the time is ripe and then swoop down on Floyd like a jackel.

Posted April 22, 2013 3:19 pm 


Public Enemy

Kangri – Since when has Canelo wanted to fight the best??? He, like all others just want a Huge Payday thanks to Floyd Mayweather.. but Canelo has not wanted to fight the Best.. if he did he would be calling out Sergio Martinez, GGG, Lara, Quinlin, It’s all about a Huge Payday for him and his people..

Posted April 22, 2013 3:18 pm 


largo

is Canelo ready for Floyd? Only IF he works & improves his work-rate (stamina); he has the defense, speed, combination punching & power to give Floyd his first loss but NOT if he can’t sustain an STEADY attack on Jr…As things stand right now, Floyd stops Canelo in the second half of the fight(like Ali stopping Foreman because of stamina issues).

Posted April 22, 2013 3:01 pm 


BEARS

I would summon ggg and martinez to meet floyd at 154. 154 -157 ideally

Posted April 22, 2013 3:00 pm 


BEARS

Canelo THE REAL 154 POUND CHAMP!!.!

Posted April 22, 2013 2:59 pm 


KANGRI

Coming from a Boricua, while he has his flaws Canelo is a Beast. He wants to fight the best, if there are any complaints about Canelo relay them to DLH who guides his career. That being said, I would def like to see him fight Mayweather or GGG.

Posted April 22, 2013 2:56 pm 


malachi

bears`so after mayweather beats em then who are you going to summon up to take mayweather off the throne.I respect canelo and think that he would be mayweathers toughest test but at the end of the day mayweather would be to smart and crafty for the young fella even with the weight advantage..yuup!

Posted April 22, 2013 2:55 pm 


BEARS

After canelo cleans out 154 (mayweather) he can entertain fighting whoever. The mayweather conquerer has arrived. The champs must meet. Canelo vs mayweather must happen immediately

Posted April 22, 2013 2:49 pm 


BEARS

Canelo is the 154 pound champ baby!!! Feed on it. I reember public enemy picking trout to win. Now he’s butt hurt and a scared mayweather fanboy. Lol

Posted April 22, 2013 2:43 pm 


Mex

Last time I checked Pac was planking from Marquez. Santa Cruz, Mares, Canelo, Omar F…ect..name me a top PR fighter right now…

Posted April 22, 2013 2:42 pm 


Boxer

Big ups to canelo and rigo fighting the absolute best in their division, Im a huge floyd fan but was disappointed to see that he approved maidana,Garcia ,Angulo,Alexander for foes over the next 3 years .

Posted April 22, 2013 2:40 pm 


Boxer

If race is a thing to you guys than boxing isn’t the sport for you.

Posted April 22, 2013 2:36 pm 


Public Enemy

Lappero – Yes canelo hurt Feather fisted Trout, who did do the MargaCheato vs Mosely noodle Dance but did Canelo put him away? with the Entire Round Left? Trout actually went on to Win that round.. Canelo only impressed his Delusional Fans who only saw what they wanted to see… There was nothing spectacular about what Canelo did vs Trout, actually no better then what a smaller old shot Cotto did vs Trout.. Do you think Canelo can beat Martinez? GGG? or Heaven forbid Mayweather???

Posted April 22, 2013 2:34 pm 


Public Enemy

Mex – Canelo came into the fight Weighing 172+lbs Why can’t he grow a set of Balls and Fight GGG at 160lbs like PR Gabriel Rosado did??? At some point in time a fighter has to stop being a Primadonna and take some Challenges…

Posted April 22, 2013 2:21 pm 


Public Enemy

Lappero – Exactly what Mexicans are at the top??? Canelo???? LOL there hasn’t been a Mexican at the top of any Boxing Weight Class in over a Decade.. all have flopped once they faced top Elite Opponents..

Posted April 22, 2013 2:19 pm 


BEARS

Exiled yank- not exactly on your whole hater hugger concept. Ortiz and guerrero are garbage fights when there’s super fights and fights that are 10 times better floyd can make. Ortiz andguerrero don’t even qualify and 147 is cleaned out. Its over at 147

Posted April 22, 2013 2:03 pm 


Mex

So if GGG wants to move down and fight Canelo at 154 then can u imagine what he would weigh coming into the fight?? We can go in circles here but at end of the day if each fighter signs the contract and meets weight at weigh in then all excuses are out the window.

Posted April 22, 2013 1:58 pm 


The Mad Scientist

Canelo vs Martinez in Sptember let’s do it..

Posted April 22, 2013 1:56 pm 


mma fighter

if women beater wins his fight saturday he should fight serigo or saul next doesnt matter which won . at 154

Posted April 22, 2013 1:51 pm 


Exiled Yank

Here’s the deal about FM, even if he fights and beats the hell out of Canelo, he will be criticized because Canelo is young. Evey FM fight goes the same way, this guy is going to do this, that, the other to fm, after the fight – which FM won – everybody says the opponent was too small, too old, too slow, too young, too green… blah blah blah. The game gets old because huggers always hug, haters always hate. That’s that. End of story.

Posted April 22, 2013 1:34 pm 


BMAN

Canelo and Trout fight illustrated too average boxers. Trout lacks power and the ability to capitalizes on his opponents weakness, like when he hurt Canelo in the mid rounds with body shot. Canelo took too many moments off and his work rate was low.

Posted April 22, 2013 1:33 pm 


BEARS

The floyd excuse machine is calling for canelo to move up and figh martinez, ward, and ggg!!!!! Bahahahahahah!!!! SCARED FOR MAYWEATHER

Posted April 22, 2013 1:29 pm 


BEARS

Trout got smoked. Glad nobody picked up and ran with the tark posy because I totally disagree and I’m glad people do too. Its funny seeing the excuse machine in over drive by scared mayweather fan boys talkin rehydration cause. What do u think martinez shoots up to after rehydratgion? U have to make weight at weigh in. Its the way its always ben to fight at a weight. That’s boxing. Canelo should pretty much be mayweathers mandatory at 154 so really mayweather shouldn’t have a say in it. If he can’t stand the heat in the kitchen he will have to get out bowe style and just fight at 147. I have never seen so many scared floydmayweather fans though. Too funny!! And tark scoring the bout for trout?!? Utter garbage trout ain’t even with ya

Posted April 22, 2013 1:28 pm 


TecateisBoxing

I second that: Canleo vs Martinez (AKA Sexy Serg). That would be a GREAT fight!

Posted April 22, 2013 1:19 pm 


Mex

I think a Canelo vs Trout 2 will generate some big money as well.

Posted April 22, 2013 12:55 pm 


Public Enemy

mex – I agree with that but I don’t think Canelos people and Goldenboy would risk a fight with Martinez who is getting up their in Age and wear too…

Posted April 22, 2013 12:52 pm 


Hosteen

Alvarez LOST the fight so NO, he is NOT ready for Mayweather!!

Posted April 22, 2013 12:41 pm 


Exiled Yank

Canelo had a great performance, but FM is not Trout. DLH is so desperate to beat FM that he will put any fighter he can in with him. This is why Broner is being moved up in weight so fast. DLH wants to have one of his fighters avenge his loss.

Posted April 22, 2013 12:41 pm 


kim

mayweather should be smart and fight Canelo very soon, before this Kid gets to good. Canelo is not peaking yet, and theres the chance for Mayweather to beat him easely by point. So hurry up Mayweather, you can win this one without to much trouble. If you wait to long, you’ll get ko’ed.

Posted April 22, 2013 12:39 pm 


Anonymous

canelo’s chin hasn’t been tested by the big punchers. cotto’s older c level fighter rocked into the ropes with one punch. Hmmmm…. smells like hype similar to kahn.

Posted April 22, 2013 12:38 pm 


murderman

Floyd can beat canelo at 147 but not 154! Canelo will be way too big! He was 172 fight night. Floyd never fought over 150!

Posted April 22, 2013 12:37 pm 


BoxingSmarts24

Canelo wants to fight Floyd he should come down to 147.. with a rehydration claws. If he can’t make weight he should fight bigger guys then end of story.

Posted April 22, 2013 12:25 pm 


Dino

Mayweather has ( after this fight on may 4th ) 3 more fights on showtime, he is gonna run out of opponents, Canelo vs Mayweather would bring in BIG money, I think Mayweather knows this, the only thing is will GBP and the TMT agree on everything, that will the problem.

Posted April 22, 2013 12:24 pm 


Dino

Cotto moved up to 154 and did not bring the power with him, at 147 he has the power, he should move back down and ride of into the sunset at that weight. He made his mark, he has plenty of money. Canelo would take him into the later rounds and stop him.

Posted April 22, 2013 12:18 pm 


Mex

Canelo vs Martinez is more possible than May vs Canelo.

Posted April 22, 2013 12:18 pm 


Mayweather1

malachi thats good to hear my man, ya for sure Cotto is really a 140 – 147 fighter thats where he had his best years.. he is just too small for 154. Do you think May Canelo can be made?? Unfortunatly I don’t think it’s happening!!!

Posted April 22, 2013 12:08 pm 


TARK

I have little problem with Canelo getting the win, the way the fight went—but with the judges’ scorecards revealed it sucked all the drama out of the fight—Trout didn’t have a chance. Alvarez wasn’t fatigued as Vivek suggests. The reason Canelo was so defensive and inactive was he didn’t have to take ANY chances. He was 1000 miles ahead.

This was bound to be a close fight. I was certain the judges would favor Alvarez in an even contest, but I was shocked at the scores. I thought Trout’s chances were slim, but the judging was worse than I expected. Trout carried the action most of the way, threw more punches, landed more punches, and took more chances. I scored it 114-113 for AT because he outworked Alvarez. Many of the chances Trout took were reckless. The way Trout was coming after Canelo, with desperate flurries, he was wide open for a KO counter. After 4 rounds, Trout pretty much knew it was a futile task to get rounds out of 2 of the judges, so he tried to set up a KO shot by recklessly putting a lot of gloves in Cinnamon’s face.

Knowing the lopsided score took both fighters out of their games. “We’re way ahead Cinnamon—box smart and make him come to you.” versus “You have to knock him out Austin. Two of the judges are giving him every round because he has pretty red hair and freckles. They’re killing us.”

Trout has 2 KO’s in his last 10 fights. He just lacks power. For him to get a KO over a fighter as strong, tough, and skilled as Alvarez wasn’t going to happen. Trout had to try, but he’s no puncher. Basically it was Mission Impossible … All Canelo had to do was take no chances, and wait for massive scoring opportunities. He’s a very smart kid. It’s a miracle he didn’t get a knockout.

Posted April 22, 2013 12:06 pm 


Dino

Mayweather is special, he would school Canelo, way to smart and crafty. Cotto has been in too many wars, plus Canelo is young and hungry. Cotto won’t have the power. You have to out smart Canelo and ONLY FLOYD CAN DO THAT HANDS DOWN.

Posted April 22, 2013 12:03 pm 


Mayweather1

Mex thats a fair point, I am pretty sickened that this fight more then likely wont be made though!!!

Posted April 22, 2013 12:02 pm 


Mex

And how is it that when Trout fought Cotto he came in a lot heavier than Cotto probably 170+ but he got no hate..

Posted April 22, 2013 11:58 am 


srminimo

Te Tumbo- Canelo won the fight and looked great in some respects. But he does seem to lack the one thing that defines the Mexican greats throughout history, that incredible stamina. When the 7th round began Canelo went in there, started tagging Trout with nice, crisp combinations and I though “OK, this is the beginning of the end,” but then he had to back away because he just ran out of gas and he never really got a second wind. If Canelo had had the energy he would have run over Trout down the stretch, but he didn’t and, in fact, was lucky that Trout didn’t have the mettle to put a lot of pressure on the kid. Wether he ran out of gas because he’s still learning how to manage that aspect of the game remains to be seen, but he’s definitely not a natural long distance guy like that kid Santa Cruz that can throw 100 punches a round for 12 rounds and not even open his mouth for air once.

Posted April 22, 2013 11:57 am 


Mex

May1 …I don’t think Canelo is ready for Mayweather but I do know Mayweather will not go toe to toe with him like he fought Cotto. But Mayweather would box his ears off right now..

Posted April 22, 2013 11:55 am 


malachi

mayweather1 um chillin man! does anyone know what weight cotto was at on fight night,n believe me im not making excuses for him not fighting canelo at that weight but 154 is not his best weight he didnt even seem too comfortable there even though i feel mayweather cruised by cotto its not his best weight….eazy!

Posted April 22, 2013 11:54 am 


Mayweather1

@Mex so by your reckoning you think Canelo would also do the same if not worse to Mayweather haha dam do you know boxing at all?

Posted April 22, 2013 11:45 am 


Mayweather1

malachi my man whats happening? I totally agree with ya, especially the scorecards bit of a joke..

Posted April 22, 2013 11:44 am 


Prof Konje

So Canelo was 172 pounds on fight night? Small wonder that Trout’s punches had no stopping power. Fighters coming in 20 plus pounds above the weight class at fight night is a very good reason to go back to holding weigh-ins the day of the fight. I believe that Mayweather will have some such clause in the contract if he agrees to fight Alvarez. As stated, there are weight classes for a reason.

Posted April 22, 2013 11:43 am 


malachi

Canelo should def be fighting my man Andre Ward, this cat fights at 170plus why should floyd fight him unless he wants to test his skill at that higher weight i respect his fight with Trout but I didnt see anything to glamorous he hit trout with a bunch of single power shots where trout def hit him with more but less effective punches.if trout had power this would have been a bit more intriguing but you cant go off of ifs, canelo was def going to get the win based off of who he is and where they were anyway unless trout was dominant but did you see the score card (ridiculous) but he did show a good showing of himself and did what he was suppose to do…yeeezzir!

Posted April 22, 2013 11:38 am 


Mex

Quitter or sore loser ..we call it like we see it. and talk about being thrown in the lions den to early , Canelo is only 22 who just beat Trout who just beat Cotto who was in the ring with Mayweather and roughed him up… Canelo not to bad IMO.

Posted April 22, 2013 11:29 am 


Mayweather1

BEARS haha 120 to 147??? That sentence alone shows exactly what you know hahaha

Posted April 22, 2013 11:27 am 


te tumbo

it seems that those most frustrated with Canelo’s win are most dissapointed with Canelo’s lack of reckless abandon, which minimized Trout’s chances of winning . . . Duh?!? that’s what he was supposed to do and he executed perfectly v. a bigger southpaw who was favored to outclass a typical Mexican plodder. instead, Trout was “shocked” by the boxing-punching fight-plan that Canelo executed featuring defensive brilliance that had Trout missing bundles of punches all-fight-long. usually a trademark of the greatest American boxers but in this case, Saul turned the tables and convincingly outboxed, outpunched, and outsmarted a game but hopelessly outclassed Trout who didn’t have the tools to bait, hurt, or otherwise derail the successful fight-plan of a poised and disciplined Alvarez. this was not a difficult fight to score in favor of Canelo. after all, “He was the better man”.

Posted April 22, 2013 10:44 am 


hecdog

Canelo is good, but still has a long way to go iMO. He has good skills, but his stamina is very questionable as well a his punch output per round. Speed is going to kill him, and he telegraphs just about all his punches. He jumps in with his left foot each time he throws his straight or looping right hand. And his defense is always at a safe distance. He’s never in the pocket like a Chavez Sr, or Pernell Whitaker. He has power because he loads up on those punches, and when he misses, he’s off balance like George Foreman used to be. Canelo has no combination punching unless you sit in one place like a punching bag. IMO he has a long way to go. Trout just doesn’t have any power. Cotto wold be a total disaster. He’s way too old and has taken way too many punches. Mayweather is going to lose to Guerrero, so there’s no point in talking about that, Martinez will destroy Canelo, Golovkin will also destroy Canelo, and if they ever fought, I think Chavez jr can beat him also. I see too many holes in Canelo’s game that I didn’t see before this fight. Now I see many. He will develop in the future, but he has some way to go.

Posted April 22, 2013 10:34 am 


Mex

And Broner got handle by ponce de Leon….Abner Cotto on his knees within 1 rd…exposed!!!

Posted April 22, 2013 10:30 am 


Mex

Public E…can u mention 1 Puerto Rican who is worth talking about…Marquez, Canelo, SantaCruz, Mares, Omar F,ect…..all legit…..I bet it was you with that Puerto Rican boxing glove wanting a autograph from Canelo …Lmao!!! as seen on tv all access.

Posted April 22, 2013 10:27 am 


HandsOfStone

Canelo wasnt his best no. But he was fighting a slick countering southpaw so had to be ‘wise’. For a long time Ive said he was the man to beat floyd, however I did take some negative from canelo and that is his reaction speed. Floyd sees a punch coming and hes head is gone. canelos defence is good but not great and his combos didnt appear thought out to more than 2 or 3 punches which is how you would have to open up floyds defence.

Posted April 22, 2013 10:26 am 


murderman

Canelo fights at 170. Floyd never weight more than 150. Total mismatch! Canelo should fight ggg or matinez or ward

Posted April 22, 2013 10:26 am 


BEARS

Sredmonds already making excuses for canelo vs mayweather like rehydration clauses. While we have robert guerrero goin from 120 to 147 by way of belly and beating a scrub berto to get a fraud shot and sredmond wants to pss this off as fine and well. God forbid its floyd who’s a little smaller because maybe floyds skills just are not good enough to make up for the weight difference. But gueerero and his belly are all good. We knew the fraud fanboys would start the excuse machine in overdrive. And its only Monday and here we are with sredmonds rehydration clause in the face of a canelo bout. Sredmond and company are scared. Bahahahahahah!

Posted April 22, 2013 10:25 am 


BEARS

Good article vivek. Good to see sredmond making posts here as he as insulting old vivek now what scrub? Theonly issue I see is floyds money is guranteed by showtime now is it not? What incentive does fraud have to face and take the risk against canelo? I’m pretty sure we can expect to see fraud fight more garbage like gueerero. Or rematches even. Additionally, we really don’t need to see canelo vs cotto. There is really no reason for it. Cottos done. And canelo just smoked the guy that smoke him. The only question wit canelo vs cotto is does canelo knock him out. Its not a ppv fight. Its not a fight a bigtime fight of the kind canelo deserves. Canelo does not deserve steps down to cotto from trout but steps up

Posted April 22, 2013 10:14 am 


Public Enemy

Guererro will get punked by Mayweather just like Broner punked that other Mexican…. Then what?

Posted April 22, 2013 10:11 am 


Public Enemy

Mex – Do you know how many Mexicans have been KnockedafkoutCold over the last few years??? Diaz, MargaCheato, Montiel, Arce, Morales, Angulo, Luveanu, Deleon, Arreola, Vargas, Salido, and the list goes on and on and on.. Too many to mention.. Mexico hasn’t produced a World Class unbeaten Champion in over a Decade.. Chavez Jr, was Exposed, Canelo still untested.. No matter what Delahoya does to prop up Canelo he too will fail.. There’s just too many Top fighters from other Countries and the US.. if the hopes of Mexican Boxing is riding on the shoulders of this Hyped Red head they’re in serious trouble..

Posted April 22, 2013 10:10 am 


Miatestomper

Mex what makes you think Canelo isn’t ready for Mayweather ? Mayweather last fight I recall I had A wash up Cotto winning 5 rounds out of 12 and his previous fights were against smaller or wash up fighters like a steroid free Mosley whom I sure used Steroids to fight Canelo. Guerrero another 130 pounder moving up in weight will let us no where Mayweather is because Mayweather hasn’t fought a Prime fighter in his own weight class since Castillo everyone since has either been on the decline or from a lighter weight class

Posted April 22, 2013 10:06 am 


Public Enemy

Canelo walked in weighing 170+ lbs as well what’s the point??

Posted April 22, 2013 10:03 am 


SREDMOND

Alvarez vs Broner is conceptually ridiculous and just a haters ploy to get a smaller fighter beat by a guy he has no business fighting… You want Canelo in the ring with a guy who has no wins above 135? He was already being derided for facing guys that were best at 147… Silly ideas cats out of the bag, both Trout and Canelo came in at 170 plus these dudes are big men at 154…

Posted April 22, 2013 9:26 am 


Mex

And plus majority of fighters at 154 walk around easily at 170 +…..Lara, Perro, Molina, Rosado,,Kirkland,Williams,….its just that at 154 and 147 is where the moneys at.

Posted April 22, 2013 9:17 am 


Mex

I agree Canelo is not ready for Mayweather. Styles makes fight. Canelo defense like the head movement and dodging ducking and weaving made him gas out so I know Mayweather would puck him apart. But why do we give Trout a pass he walked in weighing 171.

Posted April 22, 2013 9:13 am 


Mayweather1

srminimo tbh I can’t see it happening unless they fight at 147. Can’t even see there being a catchweight agreed. Although Mayweather and Canelo agree to fight at 147 they could always allow like say an 8-10 lb rehydration limit which would allow Canelo to fight at a comfortable weight.. so who knows!!!

Posted April 22, 2013 9:02 am 


srminimo

Canelo is not ready for Mayweather just yet. Trout never commited to his punches, even when he had Canelo on the ropes he had one foot out the door, plus he never made him pay when Canelo threw those wild bombs because he jumped back so far. Mayweather will stay closer and make him pay for every mistake. Canelo admitted he had learned a lot during the fight and you could see it. He stopped leaning in so much after a while and stopped throwing those wild bombs ( maybe the reason he got so tired?), but he still needs one or two more good fighters. They’ll match him up against Cotto, who will hit him more than Trout but is faded and small and then probably against someone like Lara, although that would probably be too dangerous for Golden Boy’s liking, before he fights Mayweather.

Posted April 22, 2013 8:55 am 


Mayweather1

Mex there is no issues there, we all know Canelo is a big ass strong kid only for his height he should be fighting at a higher weight.. in saying that though there aint really many MAJOR guys he could fight at 154.. He is in a tricky situation.. unless he gets the likes of GGG and Martinez to drop down to 154 to face him. Interesting!!

Posted April 22, 2013 8:49 am 


Mex

Canelo and Trout was 1 pd difference when walking in ring. And trout had the height and reach advantage…..NEXT!!!

Posted April 22, 2013 8:43 am 


Mayweather1

drx as you can see I’m a Mayweather fan watching the fight I thought that a draw or a point win in either guys favour would have sufficed.. one of the judges had a ridiculous score!! But that aint Canelo’s fault I do think he has BADLY got to work on his stamina because once he comes up against someone that can really push him non stop for 12 rounds he is in trouble!! I don’t think the Mayweather fight will be made unless Canelo can come down to 147 but after seeing that he was at 172 fight night I think he might find it hard.. In saying all that I still wish him the best of luck and hope he can fight and beat top opponents from here on in..

Posted April 22, 2013 8:42 am 


Mayweather1

drx as you can see I’m a Mayweather fan, when watching the fight I honestly thought that it was really close a draw or a point in either guys favour would have sufficed.. However as we seen by the scorecards one judge in particular had an outrageous score but hey that aint Canelo’s fault!! So I aint hating on Canelo in any way what I will say though is he really needs to work on his stamina.. he seemed like he was out of breath for the 2nd half of the fight which aint good if he is to come up against a guy that will keep on pushing for 12 rounds.. but honestly I wish him all the best of luck in the future and hopefully he can start fighting and beating top opponesnts.. I really can’t see the Mayweather Canelo fight being made though unless it’s at 147.. which as we all know aint going to happen considering Canelo weighed 172lbs on fight night!! Peace

Posted April 22, 2013 8:38 am 


Mex

Public Enemy all those names you mentioned would be k.t.f.o by Canelo. Trout is one of the best ……boxing was never dead …it lives in Mexicans!!!

Posted April 22, 2013 8:37 am 


Anonymous

if canelo blows up so much in weight, then how much does Trout blow up in weight? because he looks much bigger then canelo

Posted April 22, 2013 8:35 am 


Gussie Finknottle

I don’t think Canelo could/should down in weight. I think he is already fighting below his optimum weight. I also don’t think Mayweather should move up. I think these catchweights are dangerous for the health of the fighters. Maybe they shouldn’t fight each other.

Posted April 22, 2013 8:20 am 


SREDMOND

If Floyd fought anyone 20 pounds heavier fight night he would be crucified, Canelo gets props for facing a real fighter native to his division and winning but I honestly never knew he blew up that much… Floyd will have to find an equalizer be it a 10 pound rehydration clause or he’s gonna need to come in bigger against this Pup….He would be foolish at 36 to spittoon the guy 20 pounds of muscle…

Posted April 22, 2013 7:58 am 


SREDMOND

Floyd’s best weight is 147 anyone pretending he’s native at 154 does not know boxing.. FMJ could make same day weighing at 147… Assuming he fights Canelo he needs to add some bulk, 20 pounds is ALOT, even sacrificing some quickness he needs to be in the latter 150’s against a fight night SMW/borderline LHW..Again he’s 36 so things have to be done right but until proven otherwise he’s still Floyd Mayweather Jr… “Simply the Best”

Posted April 22, 2013 7:47 am 


Public Enemy

These guys will not be the Featherfisted Submissive Trout that held back. more like a Guppy…

Posted April 22, 2013 7:32 am 


Exiled Yank

The fight would be entertaining, but FM will take another D win. Trout gave Canelo a close fight, but FM is on a level all of his own.

Posted April 22, 2013 6:53 am 


BIG FOOT

No not Cotto, I hate the fights where we know who will lose already.

Posted April 22, 2013 6:51 am 


Exiled Yank

I think FM should fight him after Guerrero – I am going on the assumption that FM will beat Guerrero in a couple of weeks. Canelo showed some amazing skill and boxing ability, and FM is the best in the world right now, so why not? FM can bounce between 147 and 154 with ease. The biggest disadvantage FM has going against him is his age, but his style is such that it will allow him to continue fighting well past his best years. I’d like to see it happen.

Posted April 22, 2013 6:51 am 


The Mad Scientist

I personally don’t care to see Floyd fight above 147lbs again but if Mayweather is as confident as his fans seem to be and think he can collect an easy 50mil to school Kid Cinnamon let’s do it..let’s all clamor for this fight in September should Floyd get pass my boy Guerrero as he should.

Posted April 22, 2013 6:13 am 


Ghetto Thug

I have always been a Mayweather fan and a Canelo detractor but after what I saw last saturday I really feel that this kid can beat my man Floyd, I know Floyd can take him to school but if he get caught by a big right hand Money would be in seriuos trouble.

Posted April 22, 2013 5:55 am 


skinnysteve

why wont alvarez agree to a fight with Triple G at 154

Posted April 22, 2013 5:38 am 


Adrian

Vivek I agree with you 100% ….great interview!

Posted April 22, 2013 5:33 am 


Edgar Guevara

Canelo is not a complete package in boxing, not Trout either. Canelo wants the big fight against Mayweather. I hope Mayweather wins, because we need to see Canelo at A level. People that knows boxing knows that Canelo is a fighter, but not at 80’s class of fighters. Canelo needs a real good trainer. The record he has has been built very carefully. Canelo fans think Trout and Mosley has been great wins for Canelo. He needs to face a young skillfull fighter as Adrien Broner. Canelo is a fighter, not doubt and champion with charisma. He is not a top A level fighter.

Posted April 22, 2013 5:26 am 


ivan

Actually everyone is ready for Mayweather because he often isn´t fighting…. And of course Canelo is one of them… he might knock him out

Posted April 22, 2013 4:48 am 



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