Foreman Win KO1Posted August 3, 2013 6:57 pm
Foreman would push Tyson around than knock him out in Round 3
If Sonny Liston would still life and watch that fight he said to his
“George what i said to you? Ok this time you knock him out but the day will
Man Sonny that never happened^^
“Kid watching , if this tyson guy wakes up i I show you how to get someone
1987 Foreman makes a comeback and remembers sonny´s words
He was older but became a better boxer compare in 70sPosted August 3, 2013 6:41 pm
I bet on Sonny
The only Boxer who can beat 70s Foreman is Sonny Liston.Posted March 15, 2013 5:21 pm
Big George Foreman, superior to Mike Tyson in every sense of the word, would undoubtedly knock Iron Mike unconsious in 2 rounds. Assuming both men were fighting on their best day. By the way, Foreman fought WAY WAY better as an old man than Tyson. Tyson was past his prime early, mid twenties.Posted September 9, 2012 10:24 pm
Holyfield had his hands full with Grabdpa Foreman.
He wouldn’t have seen the third round with the Foreman who dispatched Norton and Frazier.Posted September 9, 2012 7:50 pm
Foreman is a hard one for people to analyse, as he looks so crude and clumsy but he had other attributes that don’t come across on youtube. I think he gives Tyson a hell of a fight.Posted September 9, 2012 4:34 pm
If you want result of this fight see Tyson v Holmes…about a fourth round stoppage would have been the result. Tyson too quick for the clumsy Foreman and would have hurt him like no other did during his career. If Ali and Lyle could knock down Foreman in his prime years there is no doubt Tyson could have in 1990. Even if he didn’t he would have schooled Foreman for the full 10 or 12 round distance like he did with Tucker, Smith etc.Posted September 7, 2012 6:43 am
Tyson’s prime was lost through his incarceration. He lost all the momentum that was built up through sparring, fighting, and gym work….quite simple really.
Tyson’s peak was the spinks fight. His technique and skills eroded after firing Kevin Rooney…working with Jay Bright and Aaron Snowell made Tyson a head hunter. Physically he was in his prime but was going through the motions.
He had 3 yrs and some change of terrifying the division…Undisputed champ.Posted September 5, 2012 6:41 am
Thanks again Kenny!Posted September 5, 2012 5:41 am
Kenny, thank you very much for your brilliant explanation.
I just don’t see what George brings to the table to beat Mike….oh right, he’d lean on Mike’s shoulders, push him back and wing punches to Tyson’s Jaw….or as Mike was walking in blindly bobbing and weaving, George would catch Tyson with uppercuts ala Joe Frazier…Tyson and Fraziers style were NOTHING alike. Frazier had the up and down style slowly cutting off the ring, Tyson came in using angles and fast feet, using feints and at his peak working off the Jab.
George caught Holyfield a few times…Holy was stunned but normal service was resumed shortly after…normal service being Holyfield using George as a human punchbag. Tyson hitting George that much = serious Damage for George…..anybody who says that Tyson would fold within a few rounds are on Meth!Posted September 4, 2012 5:31 am
Tark, I honestly think that Tyson’s 2 fights with Razor, finished Ruddock…I’m sure his punch resistance just wasn’t the same afterwards. Especially after the 2nd fight.
Anyways, Foreman v Tyson.
People seem to think that the Post prison Tyson was the same man as Pre prison Mike. Not a chance.
Tyson in 96 against Foreman of old and Comebacking George would be far more intriguing due to the fact that that Tyson wasn’t as strong and had 6 rounds in his tank befofe running in the red.Posted September 4, 2012 4:05 am
Tyson was a technician with frightening speed and power. You just do not see HW boxers throwing combinations like that.
Very close match up, I think the outcome depends on who lands. Foreman hits harder but cannot match Tyson for skill, schools apart.Posted September 3, 2012 6:19 pm
Yes, Tucker fought Tyson.
I wonder if Tucker could have beaten Lennox Lewis if he had remained out of cocaine and focused in boxing.
Just tell me how good Tucker could have been if he could have you as a coach.Posted September 3, 2012 1:29 pm
Tyson had no problem whatever hitting—or avoiding hits—from big, tall, powerful, but slow heavyweights like Frank Bruno, James Smith, or Razor Ruddock.. None of these huge, tall heavyweights had good speed or could move their heads well—and Foreman was in that style and mold…. Mike was just too quick for guys of this style, and had 3 stoppages against them.. Tyson couldn’t murder Ruddock like Lewis did—but Mike hit Razor any time he wanted to, broke his jaw, and gave him a severe beating.. Bonecrusher Smith was looking for a one punch KO and gave away every round to Tyson—who out-punched Smith better than 3 to 1.. The painfully slow and inept Morrison was badly out-boxed by every top fighter he ever faced, EXCEPT the even slower Foreman and Ruddock.. Ruddock, who hadn’t fought anyone for 3 years, caught Morrison with significant punches and floored him—something Foreman couldn’t do …. You really can’t compare young speedsters like Buster Douglas and Tony Tucker to a slow old Foreman.. People will say, “Big Fat Buster Douglas a speedster????” … YES!!!! When Buster was trained to the minute—like he was against Tyson and nobody else—he was blazing fast.Posted September 3, 2012 12:47 pm
Swedish Boxing Fan
Jayhaych – I can agree with you that Mike Tyson would have lasted more rounds then 2 in my own view but then again the author is on the right track. Boxers sice, style, power, chin etc all makes diffrence against diffrent fighters and I give Mike Tyson a victory if he fought Foreman between mabey 1987-1989 but after that – Its “Big” George Foreman’s time to win and he would win a fight between 1990-1997. Tyson was never good at handle tall and strong fighters, I mean his fights against Tony Tucker, James “Bonecrusher” Smith and Mitch “Blood” Green where all good boxers but non of them where near the quality of George Foreman and Foreman proved very well that he couyld handle brawl fighters like Tyson when he twice defeated Joe Frazier and “Smoking” Bert Cooper and both men had style and sice of Foreman and the old champ smoked them! I dont say that Tyson would not stand a chanse here but its very clear that after he fired Kevin Rooney and Bill Clayton etc he stoped pay attention to the things that made him great and stoped use his hurting combinations and those great combination would be his weapon againstv Foreman but with-out them he could never defeat George Foreman and Tyson knew that he was not a man who could take Foreman out wich was something he needed to do if he was going to win that fight and he could’t. There is a reason why Foreman wanted to fight Mike Tyson so badly becouse the money where great, the fame and glory was up for grab and Foreman felt and knew he had a good chanse to take Tyson out. Sure Foreman made not a great fight against Alex Stewart and blew the shot against Tommy Morrison but we all know that he lost to Stewart becouse he badly underestimated his opponent and fought in a career worst shape and Morrison he did nthe same and failed to pull of the trigger + that Morrison had a smart fight plan. Why Foreman said he couldent have defeated Tyson many years later to today is more of a kind gesture of respect and old George Foreman have lots of respect for good fighters career,s mabey little to much as he many times these days dont give enough credit to himself for his great achivments like he did during hisa fight daysPosted September 3, 2012 11:00 am
Kenny thank you for sharing your legendary wisdom with me. Now, i understand what do you mean.
A few notes:
Kevin has told me that he strongly believes that with him Douglas had no shot to beat Tyson and the truth is that Douglas
Tyson also didn’t train for the Douglas fight and you can see that his timing was totally off and he wasn’t throwing any punches since round 1.
A smaller man without timing is a dead man as you know Kenny. It is impossible to get inside without timing and that is one of the reasons why he was getting punished so hard.
After being fired, Kevin complained to the media that Tyson did everything wrong in the first fight against Frank Bruno.
Kenny do you believe that Tony Tucker is worse than Douglas? What are your thoughts about Tucker?
What if you were there training Tyson?
Kenny thank you for respecting Cus.
God bless you Kenny and don’t you dare to get sick.
Young Foreman or Old foreman doesn’t beat pre prison Mike Tyson of the late 80’s. Old Foreman possibly gets damaged permanently. Jeez The foreman that struggled to Axel schultz beat Tyson? The foreman that struggled with Alex stewart beat Tyson? The Foreman that was reeling from shots that Tommy morrison smashed him with beat Tyson? The foreman that moorer was schooling with Jabs and left hands for 10 rds beat Tyson? Come on James! I’m a massive Tyson fan and can make an argument for him beating everyone he ever faced in his prime, but I’m not a fanboy that says he would’ve beaten everybody in history in less than 4rds in his prime. This article is the complete polar opposite of that type of statement. Big George himself says that Tyson wouldn’t have had much problems with him in his comeback years.Posted September 3, 2012 4:43 am
Bruce…. Douglas was 6’4″X232, and NOT FAT for Tyson.. Buster was big, tall, fast, young, skilled, durable, could fight inside and outside, had a good body attacki, and had real good punching power.. Billy Douglas taught Buster how to box from the time he was 3.. It’s just that Douglas never pulled it all together for one fight before or after he met Tyson …. That was Buster’s night …. Was 29-year-old Foreman past his prime when light hitting Jimmy Young floored him, and boxed the crap out of him? Nope!!! Young lost plenty of fights, but that was Jimmy’s night.Posted September 3, 2012 2:23 am
I’m gettng tired of people who talk about “young” Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson was the YOUNGEST man ever to lose the title. When did Tyson get past his prime, when he was 22?Posted September 2, 2012 9:55 pm
TARK – The 23 year old Mike Tyson who got knocked by by Buster Douglas also would have gotten knocked out by George Foreman. Young Foreman or Old Foreman.Posted September 2, 2012 9:00 pm
Be just a little realistic… Young Mike Tyson would have no problems with slow old Foreman if they fought between the time Tyson destroyed Alex Stewart in the first round—and the time Alex Steward hammered the Living Hell out of slow old Foreman.. The problem is, Foreman was too old and slow—and Tyson was too young and too fast.. Mike would put too many punches on George’s immobile head the same way Stewart did … Only Tyson’s punches would thunder in much harder and faster.Posted September 2, 2012 8:15 pm
tyon ‘s shots were to tight and right on the button,, big george threw is shots wide and slow- Tyson in prime beats in prime george….Posted September 2, 2012 8:10 pm
It would not be easy for Mike Tyson but a fight with Foreman would be worth at least $150 million especially with ppv. So a fight with Foreman makes sense even if Mike Tyson wins by TKO late in round 7.Posted September 2, 2012 8:04 pm
big george would have beatin the crap out of mike.Posted September 2, 2012 7:06 pm
jesshook – Mike Tyson, on the best day of his life, would have had his hands full with the 45 year old George Foreman who knocked out Michael Moorer.Posted September 2, 2012 4:24 pm
You can’t use these type of arguments in boxing – it just doesn’t work. As the old saying goes “Styles make fights”. In addition I’d like to point out that Tyson was never the same after doing time.Posted September 2, 2012 4:07 pm
tyson woulda done away with foreman just like he did holmes and woulda been bashed for beating an old timer just like he did against holmes.Posted September 2, 2012 10:10 am
You said that Tyson was fundamentally inept.
the voice of reason
Well mr slater – everyone is entitled to an opinion i guess but man – youre so far off the mark here its laughable! Youre obviously thinking of foremans destruction of frazier and applying it to tyson. WRONG! Tyson hit much harder than frazier, was faster and possessed infinately greater boxing skill in his prime. In fact tysons pure boxing skill remains very under-rated. No way does foreman knock this guy out. Youre forgetting how foreman was beaten quite easily by skilled boxing types like holyfield, morrison – even axel schulz! you seriously think the outcome would be different against a prime tyson?
For me – this would have been a great fight. But tyson in his prime is too much for foreman. I think he could have even gained a TKO victory over him. Sure, boxing makes styles, but no way is tyson a ‘short, swarming pressure fighter, Iron mike, at his best, was so much more than that. This article really does display an acute lack of boxing knowledge my friendPosted September 2, 2012 7:19 am
if foreman could survive the first 5 rounds, then he might had a chance to tear tyson down with his size.Posted September 2, 2012 6:00 am
One style of heavyweight would destroy Tyson—a great big, tall, fast, skilled boxing heavyweight who could fight inside, fight outside, owned a devastating punch, and a great body attack.. Douglas at his best could actually do most of that pretty well.. Holyfield was only 6’2″X218 for Tyson, but he had that all-around game, and put it all together on the night he met Mike.. Lewis didn’t have a super slick body attack, but he had everything else needed to beat MIke.. Ali lacked devastating power, orthodox defensive skills, infighting finesse, and Ali also didn’t work the body well—that’s why Frazier and Norton gave Ali such a rough time.. Styles make fights and Tyson had the perfect style to beat Ali.. Had Foreman been really fast, a slick boxer and good infighter, along with George’s size, height, strength, and punching power, he would kill Tyson … However nobody can do everything and George lacked a few components … most importantly speed.Posted September 2, 2012 3:02 am
Ur right kozey. Ten Out of ten. Tyson regardless of the haters such as myself. Tyson with Rooney is unstoppable. I hated the guy. But he with Rooney would have destroyed any heavyweight other than Ali or Louis. Just that f$’kin simple. With Rooney he would have killed. I hate that Fu)ker. But with the training of cus and Rooney he was the sh$t!!!!. No man, including an old desperate foreman couldn’t stand a chance. F$&k I wish he could have stayed focused before Douglas! could have been the G.O.A.T. I hate that mother f$’ker but he was great!!!! He had it all!!!! If Ali c ouldnt
TYSON WASNT JUST ANY SHORT SWARMING FIGHTER, HE PUNCHED HARDER THAN FRAZIER WITH BOTH HANDS TOO!, EXCELLENT HEAD-MOVEMENT, AND SPEED! THATS WHAT FRAZIER LACKED BUT TYSON HAD IT IN ABUNDANCE.
IF YOU WATCH THE EVANDER HOLY-FIELD V FOREMAN FIGHT, YOU WILL NOTICE THAT EVEN EVEANDER WAS GETTING OFF HIS PUNCHES QUICKER THAN FOREMAN. AND WE KNOW EVANDER DOESNT THROW PUNCHES IN BUNCHES LIKE TYSON DOES.
I SIMPLY THINK TYSON WOULD HAVE BEEN JUST TOO FAST FOR FOREMAN TO EVEN LAND A PUNCH OR TWO.
TYSON CAN TAKE A PUNCH HE AINT NO MICHAEL MOORER SO I DONT KNOW WHY YOUR EXPECTING A SECOND ROUND KNOCKOUT LOOL. GEORGE COULDNT EVEN KNOCK OUT HOLYFIELD AND THEY SLUGGED IT OUT AT SOME POINT IN THE FIGHT.
LETS GIVE KUDOS WHERE KUDOS IS DUE; FOREMAN – ONE OF THE GREATEST FIGHTERS AND PUNCHERS OF ALL TIME, BUT HE WONT DISCARD OF TYSON WITHIN TWO ROUNDS.
FORGET THE MISBEHAVIOUR AND SELF DESTRUCTION; MIKE TYSON IS ONE OF THE GREATEST FIGHTER THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN. AND I DO NOT KNOW IF WE WILL EVER SEE A HEAVYWEIGHT WHO HAD THAT KIND OF SPEED,POWER,HEAD-MOVEMENT COMBINED TOGETHER.
ALI HAD SPEED AND RELFEXES BUT NOT THAT KIND OF POWER. AND ALI IS THE G.O.A.TPosted September 2, 2012 12:10 am
Are u f&@king kidding me. Foreman lucked out against moorer let alone Tyson. Give your head a shake meatball. Tyson would have owned that old man even after Douglas. And I hate mike Tyson. Tyson up to spinks would have killed everyone, everyone can eat s$&t!!!!Posted September 1, 2012 11:15 pm
A short swarmer named Gregorio Peralta
“Just as the late, great Cus D’ Amato once told the teenage Mike Tyson; a short, swarming pressure fighter such as he could never hope to defeat a George Foreman.”
Cus never said this sentence. Cus said that for a traditional swarmer where is not included TYSON.
What Cus said is that if you get inside, there isn’t nothing Foreman could do.
James Slater is on rage against Mike Tyson Again. lol
Check out youtube, there is an interview over there where Foreman says that he had a chance to fight Mike and refused.
That quote about Tyson referring to Foreman as an animal is from a made up article by Frank Lotierzo who is a Tyson hater.
Just for the record a short swarmer named Gregorio Peralta
Agreed, Tyson storms through old George in a couple of brutal, dramatic rounds. More interesting is finding out what Slater had taken before he wrote this piece.Posted September 1, 2012 7:36 pm
I’ll say this… Mike Tyson would have knocked Jimmy Young out in the 1st round.. Foreman had the worst head movement of any Heavyweight Champion since Willard and Carnera, and Young pecked him to death. Ali called Foreman The Mummy. “Look out, here comes the Mummy Everybody runs away and the Mummy tries to catch them. Ali takes slow awkward swings, “WHOOSH..WOOSH.. WOOSH.. The Mummy keeps coming, swinging real slow.. WHOOSH.. WOOSH.. WOOSH not hitting anybody. Everybody is hitting the Mummy with sticks, stones, and bricks.. He’s like Frankenstein, can’t duck anything. Can’t get out of the way.. Finally the Mummy falls, ONE… TWO… THREE.. The Mummy struggles to get up, but he’s too tired from all that swinging.”Posted September 1, 2012 7:17 pm
Foreman always fought like he was “the mummy”. He was so slow and plodding I think a young fit Tyson would have KO’d him – altho George would always have had a punchers chance.Posted September 1, 2012 6:01 pm
Beer Party Movement
Hm If old and much slower Foreman, was to beat Tyson, then Jimmy Young was a better fighter than Tyson, since he beat a young Foreman. In 1990 Tyson was already losing the grip, but still.Posted September 1, 2012 3:28 pm
Tyson was Foreman’s daddyPosted September 1, 2012 2:56 pm
truePosted September 1, 2012 2:56 pm
leta do itPosted September 1, 2012 2:48 pm
James Slater and I are on the same page, for once. Of course, you have to go with Big George to beat Iron Mike, even a Foreman in his 40s. Mike’s record is 50 wins and 6 losses. George’s record is 76 wins and 5 losses. Foreman’s KO percentage is 84%. Tyson’s KO percentage is 75%. Add to the mix the phenominal accomplishment of Big George winning the title a 2nd time over 20 years later! Tyson has roughly the same size, frame and build as Joe Frazier had. If both men were 22 years old, Foreman knocks Tyson right out of the ring.Posted September 1, 2012 2:47 pm
Here’s what Foreman said about it:
“Don King came to visit my camp in Houston… and he had a big contract. Offered me 5 million dollars… Told me to sign on the dotted line. I got more afraid of Don King and the dotted line than of Mike Tyson.”Posted September 1, 2012 2:22 pm
Excellent! Thanks, James Slater.Posted September 1, 2012 2:17 pm
Teddy Atlas was across the ring when a 45 year old man won back the title. I loved watching Tyson in the eighties as much as the next guy, but he left Rooney, he was never the same. Big George by KO in either era. Foreman never took a full ten count even against Ali and a prime Holyfield hit him with 19 straight shots. Man had a great chin and crazy strength.Posted September 1, 2012 1:19 pm
Tyson loved Cus mostly because Tyson was mildly retarded. To Cus,Tyson was just another buck in his stable.Posted September 1, 2012 1:10 pm
Please George lost in his prime and then quit boxing for years. The old Foreman only won the title on a lucky shot, he was getting killed the whole fight, he never would have taken that many shots from Tyson.Posted September 1, 2012 1:06 pm
tyson lost that fight in his head years before when cus told him what george is/was…in his head tyson could never win this…holy and buster just TOLD mike in the ring…Posted September 1, 2012 1:04 pm
you people are idiots prime vtyson kills formanPosted September 1, 2012 12:37 pm
that tyson would have hurt georgePosted September 1, 2012 12:34 pm
It’s funny how the 2nd version of Foreman, who was way past his prime, was even considered. I can only imagine what a young Foreman would have done to Tyson. I like Tyson and all but come on, boxing became the sport it is today because of him and King—pad your record so you can make millions on PPV.Posted September 1, 2012 12:29 pm
Oh ok… Teddy Atlas wrote a book. Thats why George would’ve won.Posted September 1, 2012 12:28 pm
Likely pretty accurate. Tyson avoided him for a reason. George could take a shot (or several) and was extremely mentally tough in his second go round. In his book, Teddy Atlas spoke of George’s mental toughness and how it was hard won after the Ali fight. Such self-awareness makes a fighter dangerous even without george’s legendary strenghth and punch.Posted September 1, 2012 12:24 pm
Look at Foreman when the ring bells at the end of round one. He was so happy it was over after Morrison hit him with an overhand right.Posted September 1, 2012 12:20 pm
Not even Foreman in his prime could’ve finished Tyson that fast. You have to completely destroy Tyson in order to defeat him. I don’t think Foreman in the 1990 had the workrate to do so.Posted September 1, 2012 12:15 pm
Tommy Morrison, the poor man’s Tyson, beat George Foreman easily. Tyson vs Foreman would have been an easy win for Tyson.Posted September 1, 2012 12:15 pm
hey this guys a george fan im a mike fan but ko in 2 i mean thats defo a dreamy foreman fans fantasy looking back at george with rose tinted glassesPosted September 1, 2012 12:12 pm
I think people (including Foreman) can’t see Tyson fighting on his back foot like Holyfield, Moorer and Morrison did. And also Shannon Briggs. But maybe this is exactly what Mike would’ve done, who knows.Posted September 1, 2012 12:12 pm
Mike Tyson knocked out in round two… forget about it. Tyson was a different animal than Joe Frazier. Even in 2002 had was able to take punishment from Lennox Lewis for 8 rounds…. Cus D’Amato died before he could see Mike at his absolute best 1986-1989… It’s too bad that the fight didn’t happen in 1990. Foreman wanted it, he wasn’t afraid of Mike Tyson. But it didn’t happen for whatever reason and making predictions now is useless.Posted September 1, 2012 12:10 pm
fought* my badPosted September 1, 2012 12:09 pm
love this i dont want too fight that animal quote which cant be attributed to a source hey no doubt tyson didnt want too fight heavy handed rangey tree like george but tyson wouldnt say that in a fearful way even if he thought that come on just adding intrigue to the debate but tyson thought lennox twice knowing his disadvantages so i dont think he would of admitted he was scared tii fight george while active unlike the tyson character weve come too know.source anyone? don king make the claim did he?Posted September 1, 2012 12:08 pm
Uh…So Foreman, who absolutely struggled against any and every top fighter he ever faced during his second run (including losing just about every round against chinny Moorer until the very end), would have destroyed Mike Tyson in just two rounds?
OK. :roll:Posted September 1, 2012 12:03 pm